New Everton Stadium

[joey_macmo]

Some interesting assumptions being made on location , cost and deliverability.

I spent most of my working life in planning and development, and whilst I don't presume to know all of the answers, it is my view that a city centre or waterfront site would be a far better option than an out of town site with limited transport options.

The Council's input is less critical if the funds are there to deliver the stadium. I believe Peel would be happy to discuss any firm proposals with EFC.

A new multi-purpose arena could well be a benefit to them, as I think their own vision is too reliant on high density residential, and unless there is a miraculous upturn in the economy they could be waiting many years for volume house builders and/or institutional investors to get on board.

Obviously the existing transport links would have to be upgraded, but somewhere like Trafalgar Dock could well be a viable option.

Stop talking sense, don't you know the club with one of the biggest walk ups in the country needs to be based on a motorway!?!?

 

[bitter-no-better]

Many are surmising a waterfront stadium would be reliant on cars, you've got rail there, ferries and it's walking distance from the city centre.

The echo arena has a capacity of 9k. what is the traffic like for any events which reach full capacity? And how would that look if you times it by 5 or 6 on a weeknight with work traffic.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

You do realise they've done that before!?

I remember them giving the fanbase the opportunity to vote on both Kirkby and KD - at separate times.

But they never came with more than 1 option - aside from doing nothing that is.....and that was my point.

 

[Toffeeslam]

No people are ready to slam moving to the cities boundaries or taking up green space. Both totally justified

So we get a prime location in the city centre or the docks and if we cant secure that we stay and do nothing ??

If that's the case we are really doomed

 

[joey_macmo]

So we get a prime location in the city centre or the docks and if we cant secure that we stay and do nothing ??

If that's the case we are really doomed

Is that what I said?

 

[Toffeeslam]

Is that what I said?

No, I'm asking the question

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Some interesting assumptions being made on location , cost and deliverability.

I spent most of my working life in planning and development, and whilst I don't presume to know all of the answers, it is my view that a city centre or waterfront site would be a far better option than an out of town site with limited transport options.

The Council's input is less critical if the funds are there to deliver the stadium. I believe Peel would be happy to discuss any firm proposals with EFC.

A new multi-purpose arena could well be a benefit to them, as I think their own vision is too reliant on high density residential, and unless there is a miraculous upturn in the economy they could be waiting many years for volume house builders and/or institutional investors to get on board.

Obviously the existing transport links would have to be upgraded, but somewhere like Trafalgar Dock could well be a viable option.

What would make it the better option from a commercial or financial perspective mate?

Unless it could generate additional revenue that offset the increased land cost over a council 'encouraged' brown field or green field site in the suburbs, then where's the fiscal benefit?

 

[Magus]

What would make it the better option from a commercial or financial perspective mate?

Unless it could generate additional revenue that offset the increased land cost over a council 'encouraged' brown field or green field site in the suburbs, then where's the fiscal benefit?

I'm thinking more in terms of environmental sustainability. Better transport options mainly.

However, a central location would also be more attractive for non-football uses such as conferences and hospitality due to proximity to hotels etc.

For the match day fans who like to drink rather than drive there are obvious attractions for pre/post match venues. I personally would be happy to jump a train into the city centre and make my way to the ground, as opposed to driving and then paying over the odds for parking.

 

[Magus]

One additional point, if a deal could be struck with Peel you would have a major development partnership with shared objectives to improve the transport infrastructure with lobbying power to secure public subsidy.

I'm not sure the Council would have as much sway with the current government. An out of town site would also require substantial investment on that side of the equation, but possibly without the same level of shared benefits for the surrounding areas.

 

[Dr Baxter]

The echo arena has a capacity of 9k. what is the traffic like for any events which reach full capacity? And how would that look if you times it by 5 or 6 on a weeknight with work traffic.

Can we please put this one to bed for once and for all? The reason the traffic at the Liverpool Echo Arena is so bad, is precisely because there IS a car park there. When our plans for the KD were announced, it was made clear that there would be very minimal parking on site for officials and perhaps the disabled. The situation at any proposed site near to the city centre or dock area would follow suit. Driving would be discouraged in the same way. For the Jeremy Clarksons of this world who refuse to use public transport there is plenty of parking in town which would be available Saturday afternoons and evening times. That said, there is more than enough dereliction on the dock road to build parking provision for the die-hards and those that have to come by car.

 

[Dr Baxter]

Most of the land in the centre or the waterfront is already in private hands...Peel holdings springs to mind and they will simply tell Everton to do one if we are not part of their plans so council are not part of that equation.

Also we have a Billionaire on the board that does not mean we have a endless supply of money, im sure he didn't amass this wealth by burning through cash like it was going out of fashion as they say in the US.

Yes the city centre or waterfront would be great but if not then we would want a plot within the city to make our own and grow.... examples are the Trafford centre is not in the city centre in Manchester.

London has Oxford St which is the centre of London but most Londoners go to Westfield which is the West and or the East not the centre and both were built on considered derelict land not fit for anything

all I want is people to have a dose of realism

Let's talk realism, by all means. I think some people are under the illusion that the land Peel have at the docks is worth far more than it probably is. As much as we might love our city and see the huge potential it has, lets not kid ourselves. We are not London or Manhattan. We are not even (as much as it pains me to say it) Manchester. In fact we are so far down the pecking order of provincial cities, we are not even on the planned HS3, never mind HS2. We are a run down provincial English city and need to start playing catch up and quickly.

Peel have a list of world renowned developers and companies kicking their door down, do they? No, I don't think so either. Hardly any progress since Liverpool and Wirral Waters was announced several years ago. Let's not delude ourselves we'll be getting our own version of Canary Wharf any time soon. Peel might very well need Farhad Moshiri and his contacts more than he needs them. That's the reality.

 

[Toffeelover]

seems a couple of people might be happy with a stadium on the M58

Location is irrelevant anyway apparently it's all about whether you can drive there or not

parking?????????

 

[tbone1970]

Forget about the city centre or docks,it's not going to happen....

I think WHP is already sorted, it just seems the timing of Moshiri coming in and what was said at the AGM all fits into place,huge investment and commitment for regeneration of that area is what will sway it for the city council to give it the go-ahead.

That's my thought, shoot me now!!!

 

[TheFinnFan]

Forget about the city centre or docks,it's not going to happen....

I think WHP is already sorted, it just seems the timing of Moshiri coming in and what was said at the AGM all fits into place,huge investment and commitment for regeneration of that area is what will sway it for the city council to give it the go-ahead.

That's my thought, shoot me now!!!

You might be right like...

 

[Damo W]

I wouldnt write off the docks. Whilst owned by Peel Holdings they are developers in everything they do at the end of the day.

Liverpool and Wirral waters are visions that need investment from say Chinese or Arab sovereign funds to make reality. But before they buy into that vision they need a centre peice. An attraction that will be at the heart. Ie big business park, manufacturing or hospitality and entertainment.

If Everton went to Peel with funding for a stadium, Peel would have that centre piece the hook for other interested parties to then look to invest to make a larger development. One that Moshiri and his billionaire friends will sense an opportunity also.

This would also work for a WHP development.