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New Everton Stadium

Gareth Gibson said:
Interesting piece about how Usmanov’s departure affects the stadium.

‘Usmanov was helping the club to press ahead. His absence impacts on the Everton's ability to service the debts from the stadium construction.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/s...ole-Usmanov-exit-rocked-plans-new-ground.html


If we are forced to stay at Goodison we will be in big trouble in the long-term. It has fewer corporate facilities than Brentford and a quarter of the seats at Goodison have an obstructed view. As Premier League ticket prices inevitably go up will fans be willing to pay big money to sit behind a post? Also several people in recent years have raised questions about Goodison’s ability to continue to gain its safety certificate each year. It’s getting more and more dilapidated.
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I wouldn't understate the challenges, but I can live with austerity in the transfer budget to ensure the stadium is completed and enduring.

We have already spent a stadium worth of funds on players for absolutely no benefit. We will cut the wage bill in the summer and likely sell Richarlison, DCL, or both.

Even with cheaper replacements, with unified and competent management, if we can get our act together it's not a monumental task to achieve mid-table mediocrity.

We will get new sponsors, nothing earth-shattering, but it means we won't lose all of the USM money. My biggest beef is that we put most of our eggs in that basket, and that is on the senior management team.

The conflict in my view just expedited the issue with USM. Questions were already being asked as to fair value by some other PL clubs, I can't recall where I read that but I definitely came across it. Mud can be smeared by all sides though.

It's concerning, and I'm worried, but short of relegation things can't get much worse at present. If we need to hunker down and face tight budgets in order to ensure the stadium is completed, then so be it for a few years.
 
Gareth Gibson said:
Interesting piece about how Usmanov’s departure affects the stadium.

‘Usmanov was helping the club to press ahead. His absence impacts on the Everton's ability to service the debts from the stadium construction.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/s...ole-Usmanov-exit-rocked-plans-new-ground.html


If we are forced to stay at Goodison we will be in big trouble in the long-term. It has fewer corporate facilities than Brentford and a quarter of the seats at Goodison have an obstructed view. As Premier League ticket prices inevitably go up will fans be willing to pay big money to sit behind a post? Also several people in recent years have raised questions about Goodison’s ability to continue to gain its safety certificate each year. It’s getting more and more dilapidated.
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Who are the people who have "raised questions about our safety certificate?"

The club falsely stated that the stadium's safety cert would soon no longer be viable over 15yrs ago..... when trying to force Destination Kirkby on us. This was shown to be entirely untrue at that time by the department who issue them, and at no point in the intervening years has it been in jeopardy. Yes, older stands can require additional scrutiny and maintenance, but ours are still fully compliant. Age has its issues, but the core of Liverpool's Mainstand (1905) is 20yrs older than the Bullens Rd. Similarly, Old Trafford's Mainstand (1910) is over 15yrs older than the Bullens. No one is suggesting that they will soon not get their safety certs.

Yes, Goodison has many failings at present. Many of which would've been easily remedied for just the cost of filling a dock, as proven by several developments elsewhere.
 
Gareth Gibson said:
Interesting piece about how Usmanov’s departure affects the stadium.

‘Usmanov was helping the club to press ahead. His absence impacts on the Everton's ability to service the debts from the stadium construction.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/s...ole-Usmanov-exit-rocked-plans-new-ground.html


If we are forced to stay at Goodison we will be in big trouble in the long-term. It has fewer corporate facilities than Brentford and a quarter of the seats at Goodison have an obstructed view. As Premier League ticket prices inevitably go up will fans be willing to pay big money to sit behind a post? Also several people in recent years have raised questions about Goodison’s ability to continue to gain its safety certificate each year. It’s getting more and more dilapidated.
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The fact that Laings are fabricating offsite is nothing to worry about I don’t get why they’ve brought that up. That would happen regardless as that’s how they make their money on projects. Some other interesting bits though.
 
brieverton said:
I wouldn't understate the challenges, but I can live with austerity in the transfer budget to ensure the stadium is completed and enduring.

We have already spent a stadium worth of funds on players for absolutely no benefit. We will cut the wage bill in the summer and likely sell Richarlison, DCL, or both.

Even with cheaper replacements, with unified and competent management, if we can get our act together it's not a monumental task to achieve mid-table mediocrity.

We will get new sponsors, nothing earth-shattering, but it means we won't lose all of the USM money. My biggest beef is that we put most of our eggs in that basket, and that is on the senior management team.

The conflict in my view just expedited the issue with USM. Questions were already being asked as to fair value by some other PL clubs, I can't recall where I read that but I definitely came across it. Mud can be smeared by all sides though.

It's concerning, and I'm worried, but short of relegation things can't get much worse at present. If we need to hunker down and face tight budgets in order to ensure the stadium is completed, then so be it for a few years.
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This is how bad it has become, Evertonians hoping for a few years of 'mid table mediocrity ' .
 

Tom Hughes said:
Who are the people who have "raised questions about our safety certificate?"

The club falsely stated that the stadium's safety cert would soon no longer be viable over 15yrs ago..... when trying to force Destination Kirkby on us. This was shown to be entirely untrue at that time by the department who issue them, and at no point in the intervening years has it been in jeopardy. Yes, older stands can require additional scrutiny and maintenance, but ours are still fully compliant. Age has its issues, but the core of Liverpool's Mainstand (1905) is 20yrs older than the Bullens Rd. Similarly, Old Trafford's Mainstand (1910) is over 15yrs older than the Bullens. No one is suggesting that they will soon not get their safety certs.

Yes, Goodison has many failings at present. Many of which would've been easily remedied for just the cost of filling a dock, as proven by several developments elsewhere.
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Old Trafford is in a far more dilapidated state than Goodison but ,as you note, no one has suggested it would fail to get a safety license in the immediate future.
 
brieverton said:
I wouldn't understate the challenges, but I can live with austerity in the transfer budget to ensure the stadium is completed and enduring.

We have already spent a stadium worth of funds on players for absolutely no benefit. We will cut the wage bill in the summer and likely sell Richarlison, DCL, or both.

Even with cheaper replacements, with unified and competent management, if we can get our act together it's not a monumental task to achieve mid-table mediocrity.

We will get new sponsors, nothing earth-shattering, but it means we won't lose all of the USM money. My biggest beef is that we put most of our eggs in that basket, and that is on the senior management team.

The conflict in my view just expedited the issue with USM. Questions were already being asked as to fair value by some other PL clubs, I can't recall where I read that but I definitely came across it. Mud can be smeared by all sides though.

It's concerning, and I'm worried, but short of relegation things can't get much worse at present. If we need to hunker down and face tight budgets in order to ensure the stadium is completed, then so be it for a few years.
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Good post. I agree with most of what you say. Think the egg basket analogy is a bit harsh though. Ultimately, we've benefited from the deal up until now, and we've got to remember, these are unprecedented times in many ways.

As you say, we'll get new sponsors (possibly before the season is out. ) and I can't see USM et al not being fully paid up. I also don't think they'd try and be arsey and try to sue us or anything if/when things get back to normal.
 
This feels *over* to me.

I think the next announcement on this is likely to be a delay in the next phase of development, then a change to the hoped for inauguration season, and they'll be the first moves in mothballing it. I know it's nowhere near a precise comparison - but the feeling I have is the one I got when we first heard of problems over the viability for us over the Kings Dock stadium. We're in the foothills of that now IMO.

It's a huge disappointment to fans and will destroy the club's morale (and reputation) for years and years to come.

You couldn't make up a worse case scenario than this if you were a Kopite. It's organisational death we're seeing here.

Kenwright brought these people in 6 years ago and they've been an utter disaster for us. I sincerely hope that when (when not 'if') Moshiri leaves the club in the next 12 months or so that Kenwright is forced out by a huge campaign. Since 1999 he's blighted this football club and should go down in history as one of its infamous characters whose actions have been every bit as destructive for the club as the split in 1892 and the European ban in 1985.
 
brieverton said:
I wouldn't understate the challenges, but I can live with austerity in the transfer budget to ensure the stadium is completed and enduring.

We have already spent a stadium worth of funds on players for absolutely no benefit. We will cut the wage bill in the summer and likely sell Richarlison, DCL, or both.

Even with cheaper replacements, with unified and competent management, if we can get our act together it's not a monumental task to achieve mid-table mediocrity.

We will get new sponsors, nothing earth-shattering, but it means we won't lose all of the USM money. My biggest beef is that we put most of our eggs in that basket, and that is on the senior management team.

The conflict in my view just expedited the issue with USM. Questions were already being asked as to fair value by some other PL clubs, I can't recall where I read that but I definitely came across it. Mud can be smeared by all sides though.

It's concerning, and I'm worried, but short of relegation things can't get much worse at present. If we need to hunker down and face tight budgets in order to ensure the stadium is completed, then so be it for a few years.
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Hadn't that already happened anyway? We spent 1.5 million last year and cut big earners loose.

The article there was basically more around the naming rights money from Usmanov which might have been 10-15 million a year that would have gone to the team. It looks a lot of money when totalled over 10-20 years but annually isn't going to make a major difference to the playing budget anyway on its own.
 
gazzaa2 said:
Hadn't that already happened anyway? We spent 1.5 million last year and cut big earners loose.

The article there was basically more around the naming rights money from Usmanov which might have been 10-15 million a year that would have gone to the team. It looks a lot of money when totalled over 10-20 years but annually isn't going to make a major difference to the playing budget anyway on its own.
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Yes I agree. Just that there might be even more belt-tightening. We can cope. The stadium must be completed. If it isn't then it's an absolute catastrophe for the club and something in my opinion we would not recover from. We would never live that down, ever.

I'm assuming we have private financing in place even without confirmation. It's not like Usmanov was gifting us a stadium from his own pocket. The events of the last 10 days wouldn't have any effect on that in the aftermath of our cutting ties to USM. Cost escalation seems to be the biggest worry though and might require a restructuring of the funding model resulting in more arduous terms. I think Moshiri may look for additional investment and sell a portion of his holding on that score.
 

Sorry, but whoever wrote that Mail article is full of it.

I stopped reading when I got to this bit...

"In another blow to the club, as the prices of steel and energy soar, the new stadium is having modifications made to keep costs down. Plans for a multi-storey car park have been ditched to save money while cheaper materials are being used, a source says. Parts of the stadium are also being prefabricated off site to save money."

Clearly that's just absolute nonsense.
 

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