New Everton Stadium

4737carlin said:
Well there was the land that became Media City but I think that stadium need a far greater area then just the football ground since it was part of an athletics park. Besides it is closer to the city center then people realise, ive walked it several times, a lot of city fans do without much effort.
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Yes i walked it after the recent Roses gig, it's probably not far over a mile really
 

Foot Long Hot Dog said:
It was always a more complex conundrum than many would have you believe, and hindsight is a truly wonderful gift.

However, it's long gone, and Moshiri isn't going to plump for Joe's SC lemon in a million years. Providing Peel are able to be convinced it'll be the docks.
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I don't think Liverpool Waters is 'maybe' bringing in the money as quickly as first presumed. Not sure they'll need that much convincing, its not like they are averse to going against 'World Heritage Status' to push through their own plans. Plans nearly always get changed!
 
mrsnugfit said:
If we're looking at it from Moshiri's perspective the dockside does have a negative - it is Peels land so Peel would hold ALL the cards on location, size and what (If any) extras we would be allowed by them to have - after all it is their land and they do have long term plans that we would have to comply and fit in with - we wouldn't be allowed for example to have much else apart from the stadium (That would be enough for me though!). Also I guess the whole project would be a lot longer than 2-3 years. A Stonebridge Cross deal between us and LCC would give Moshiri and the club pretty much a blank cheque to do whatever we liked given its much larger size and full support of the council - no awkward bast*rds like Peel telling us what, where, why, when, how - and could be started and completed within 2-3 years and big enough to have a large EFC 'village' type surroundings. People should blame Peel not anyone else if the dockside dream is ended.
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Thing with Stonebridge Cross the location is basically the middle of nowhere, which is why it was perfect for a warehouse. Now that might make it easier to develope but it also makes it far less attractive for anything else other then a ground to be used 20 odd times a year. The location would be awful for any type of village or profitable surrounding structures, no hotels, no bars, nothing. If anything the biggest benefit to the LCC is getting someone to take a worthless piece of land off them while at the same time freeing up some space near Walton.

Peel might be notoriously hard to talk around but you dont mess with the Mosh!! We might be offering a concrete plan we can deliver, while right now all they have is pipe dream drawings of buildings that wont happen and a large piece of empty land going to waste.
 
4737carlin said:
Thing with Stonebridge Cross the location is basically the middle of nowhere, which is why it was perfect for a warehouse. Now that might make it easier to develope but it also makes it far less attractive for anything else other then a ground to be used 20 odd times a year. The location would be awful for any type of village or profitable surrounding structures, no hotels, no bars, nothing. If anything the biggest benefit to the LCC is getting someone to take a worthless piece of land off them while at the same time freeing up some space near Walton.

Peel might be notoriously hard to talk around but you dont mess with the Mosh!! We might be offering a concrete plan we can deliver, while right now all they have is pipe dream drawings of buildings that wont happen and a large piece of empty land going to waste.
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Docky not Crocky

Do it once, Do it right.
 
As predicable as it is is depressing if these rumours are true about Stonebridge. Can totally see why Moshiri would be all over it - free land, full backing of the council and could get a cheap, breeze block stadium built overnight. Once this new ground is up, the club would instantly be worth twice as much as he bought them for and potentially sellable for a substantial profit on his investment. I'm playing devil's advocate but that's the nuts and bolts of it from a business point of view. I wonder if the docks site was ever even in the conversation once Joe Anderson reminded the club they could have a bunch of land free of charge
 

St. Domingo said:
As predicable as it is is depressing if these rumours are true about Stonebridge. Can totally see why Moshiri would be all over it - free land, full backing of the council and could get a cheap, breeze block stadium built overnight. Once this new ground is up, the club would instantly be worth twice as much as he bought them for and potentially sellable for a substantial profit on his investment. I'm playing devil's advocate but that's the nuts and bolts of it from a business point of view. I wonder if the docks site was ever even in the conversation once Joe Anderson reminded the club they could have a bunch of land free of charge
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We haven't announced a location?
 
St. Domingo said:
As predicable as it is is depressing if these rumours are true about Stonebridge. Can totally see why Moshiri would be all over it - free land, full backing of the council and could get a cheap, breeze block stadium built overnight. Once this new ground is up, the club would instantly be worth twice as much as he bought them for and potentially sellable for a substantial profit on his investment. I'm playing devil's advocate but that's the nuts and bolts of it from a business point of view. I wonder if the docks site was ever even in the conversation once Joe Anderson reminded the club they could have a bunch of land free of charge
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Nice user name mate. lol
 

4737carlin said:
Old Trafford has been there for over a 100 years, so its not like they moved out of the city to go there, so really thats a daft thing to say, Stonebridge its a very negative move, slightly better then Destination Kirkby perhaps but it really isnt something we should be happy to do.
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It's not about whether they moved or not. My point is that a city centre location is not a golden goose. If we don't have success on the pitch, it won't matter where the ground is.

Foot Long Hot Dog said:
SC is a crap location and United is a crap analogy to the out of town dump that is SC.

Not being funny like, but have you ever been to OT like? As I can't see how anyone could compare that location with the likes of SC.
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Yes I've been to Old Trafford many times and the surrounding area is also an out of town dump
 
Ashtonluke said:
It's not about whether they moved or not. My point is that a city centre location is not a golden goose. If we don't have success on the pitch, it won't matter where the ground is.



Yes I've been to Old Trafford many times and the surrounding area is also an out of town dump
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Over the Stretford End bridge used to lead to a shithole, probably still does !!
 
Ashtonluke said:
It's not about whether they moved or not. My point is that a city centre location is not a golden goose. If we don't have success on the pitch, it won't matter where the ground is

Yes I've been to Old Trafford many times and the surrounding area is also an out of town dump
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It is in a small tourist city that has significant rivals. Liverpool could move to the outskirts and be packed still. We'd wither and die if the team nosedived. On the docks you'd feel that even if we weren't doing well, tourists would have a significant walk up.
 
I don't think SC is being seriously looked at by those at the top of Everton but clearly is be those at the top of LC. If things fall through that may change. As I said a couple of months back the time tabling from Andersons smacks me as a ploy to try to pressure the board. A sort of "you could have this new stadium in Croxteth in two years or be left waiting years for the Docks, lets get a new ground sorted lads".

Anyone who has been around politics will know that is a fairly commonplace approach. If you have lost the argument you change the debate, move it to a terrain your opponent can't compete on and keep hammering the point home. The one "vote winner" Anderson may have amongst Evertonians may be that we'd like to have a stadium sooner and he can deliver this. It's a pressure tactic but I really doubt Moshiri et al will be worried by this at all.

The only other point I would make is the United example's miss the point. Nobody would say you can't be successful with an out of town stadium but it makes it a lot more difficult. As has been indicated Manchester doesn't really have an area of the natural beauty and significance of the Docks so it's an arbitrary viewpoint. There is a lot of 2 + 2 = 35 with that logic though. Ie United are a massive club + United have a stadium in an unfashionable area = It doesn't matter where a stadium is. United have succeeded in spite of the location not because of it.

Let me put it another way you can have a fantastic new suit to go on a night out on. Brad Pitt turns up old, unfashionable clothes. In all likelihood he will still be a bigger hit with women than you. That's not because of his clothes though and it doesn't mean you don't boost your chances because of the suit you are wearing.

SC wouldn't be a disaster, we'd have to see what came of it re plans. It would be a step forward from Goodison but it has nowhere near the potential of the Docks.
 

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