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New round of covid boosters. Will you get yours?
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And This thread is on fire 
I got the J&J shot originally as it was being offered (your choice) via work and that's been it, no boosters etc; all it did was make me tired for a day. Like, abnormally...we were driving to Colorado the day after and I had to hand over the wheel around 4PM and we left at like 10:00 AM. Not likely to get another unless I or, more likely because of her job, she feels it's necessary.
That's true, but it's more that each state makes it's own laws. WA had some of the strictest at the time, including shutting the borders to the rest of Australia, but once vax rates got above 95%, all restrictions went
Fair play to you, that your choice...now extend to them the freedom of choice you just exercised.
Blindly trusting the science can back fire...like Thalidomide...like spraying everything with DDT, (see joni mitchell) these vaccinations were brought out in a hurry, maybe with the exposure to the science they'd have to get to do the job they do, they thought, I'll just wait and see...their choice.
Or is freedom of choice a thing that can be turned on or off, depending on what some politician or worse - what some unelected jobsworth thinks is right or wrong?
Disagree with pretty much all of this. The government's job is to generally provide services for the collective good, even if at a small expense to personal freedoms. This is why we pay taxes. This is why we follow laws regarding speed limits and gun ownership. This is why we have the MMR vaccine children... All for the greater common good even if it infringes on one's own sense of what personal autonomy means. You generally don't get to pick and choose what services you want the government to turn on/off for you if you are be a citizen of said country (e.g., please filter my drinking water and pave my roads, but I don't want to pay taxes or vaccinate my kids against measles).
As to the "blindly trusting the science" the cases of Thalidomide or DDT have nothing to do with this. Obviously, there was tragedy on a massive scale when pregnant women took the drug, but this was due to zero government oversight. It was a case of drug companies marketing directly to doctors who then wrongly prescribed it to pregnant women (most doctors aren't scientists, by the way, doctors use science, but they don't do science). It wasn't science, it was corporate greed (and even covering up test results or improper testing on wrong subsets of humans). If anything, the tragic consequences of its use in West Germany and elsewhere led to better government oversight as to what drugs can be brought to market. The USA and other countries now, thankfully, have many laws in place about what drugs can be marketed to the public (via their doctor's) with respect to clinical trials. I would much rather live in a world with FDA/government oversight on drug availability than with some random corporate jerk-offs trying to profit on an untested drug. But this wasn't science; the science (i.e., pharmacology or biochemistry) of Thalidomide and DDT is well understood...it just was the misapplication of these drugs for profit which led to major tragedy.
As to doctors not wanting vaccines, I do agree with @Hinchcliffe's Corner that perhaps the medical profession isn't for them. In the USA all medicals schools worth their salt have some version of the Hippocratic oath, which medical students are expected to follow. This includes, in some form, a statement about doing no harm. I would hope these students would have also taken a medical ethics class (about the balance of personal freedom versus collective responsibility) and a medical history class (which would show that vaccines are in the top three inventions in the history of humanity, saving more lives/improving more livelihoods than any other invention in the history of ever).
The Covid vaccine, at least in the USA, was highly vetted and its development started well before the pandemic hit.
I'll endorse all this and add scientists are some of the most skeptical folks you will meet. They question everything as that's the essence of science.
As usual there's a good amount of misinformation flying around. For example Polio hasn't been eradicated, in fact there's been a resurgence. Thalidomide is still widely prescribed, but not for pregnant women obviously. DDT wasn't the mass bird killer it was set up to be, in fact the banning of it led to millions of deaths from Malaria. Ivermectine isn't banned for human consumption, it just isn't approved for Covid 19 treatment:
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@Daveysgingerlovechild I think you jinxed me with this thread, I've finally got covid for the first time now lol
Awww, sorry dude. Hope you're not suffering too badly.
Haha, nah all good. Felt a bit rough the other day so took 2 tests yesterday which were positive.
I tell thee what, for someone who apparently was leaving, our man @dholliday is admirably dogged in his apparent mission to antagonise Raf...
Seems almost personal over the course of this thread.
Seems almost personal over the course of this thread.
carlos21
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Hiya
Herr Horse-gel, like most people who support Trump and push Ivermectin, have a weird thing about women.
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