New round of covid boosters. Will you get yours?

[trueblue84]

you are just a person who advocates quack remedies on the internet though?

He's pushing duck gel now?

 

[dholliday]

But you’re not coming from a position where your critique warrants no credibility as you have no understanding of the subject or credentials on the subject matter.

Imagine how it would feel if you studied something for years and then all of a sudden, raspers on the internet are trying to discredit you on the basis of a YouTube video, a Joe rogan podcast and a Elon musk tweet.

Irrelevant. Appeal to Authority is a well-known logical fallacy.

Focus not on the man (or woman), but on the ball.

Any comment on those video-clips I linked? What do you think was their intention when saying the vaccine stopped transmission?

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Irrelevant. Appeal to Authority is a well-known logical fallacy.

Focus not on the man (or woman), but on the ball.

Any comment on those video-clips I linked? What do you think was their intention when saying the vaccine stopped transmission?

Reflexive high or late modern citizenship, ladies and gentlemen!

 

[carlos21]

Hey mate, how have you been?

I have been good touch wood what you been watching.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Irrelevant. Appeal to Authority is a well-known logical fallacy.

Focus not on the man (or woman), but on the ball.

Any comment on those video-clips I linked? What do you think was their intention when saying the vaccine stopped transmission?

It’s like me telling Baines how to take penalties.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Focus not on the man (or woman), but on the ball.

The only people that use this term have no understanding of critical analysis

 

[RAFUH]

What do you think was their intention when saying the vaccine stopped transmission?

A crap attempt to simplify with what information was available while said information was rapidly evolving and growing. Health literacy in the US is abysmal (since your videos are US based). They were using a quick sound bite to get a more complex explanation disseminated to people who exist in a world with a very short attention span.

Vaccines do prevent transmission - in that if you are less likely to catch it, you are less like to transmit it.
They went all in with black and white, when it is/was more grey.

When you have hospitals overflowing, not enough staff to care for patients, running out of sedatives required to intubate people, require multiple refrigerated trucks for storing dead bodies, and have to consider protocols for rationing care (and all this is NOT hyperbole. It was happening), some corners will be cut to save lives. Greater good and all that.


Monday morning quarterbacking is easy.

 

[cronullasharks]

I have been good touch wood what you been watching.

Watched a Turkish show called Wolf, was quite good but need to find the movie that finishes the story off.

 

[Swartzy]

Disagree with pretty much all of this. The government's job is to generally provide services for the collective good, even if at a small expense to personal freedoms. This is why we pay taxes. This is why we follow laws regarding speed limits and gun ownership. This is why we have the MMR vaccine children... All for the greater common good even if it infringes on one's own sense of what personal autonomy means. You generally don't get to pick and choose what services you want the government to turn on/off for you if you are be a citizen of said country (e.g., please filter my drinking water and pave my roads, but I don't want to pay taxes or vaccinate my kids against measles).

As to the "blindly trusting the science" the cases of Thalidomide or DDT have nothing to do with this. Obviously, there was tragedy on a massive scale when pregnant women took the drug, but this was due to zero government oversight. It was a case of drug companies marketing directly to doctors who then wrongly prescribed it to pregnant women (most doctors aren't scientists, by the way, doctors use science, but they don't do science). It wasn't science, it was corporate greed (and even covering up test results or improper testing on wrong subsets of humans). If anything, the tragic consequences of its use in West Germany and elsewhere led to better government oversight as to what drugs can be brought to market. The USA and other countries now, thankfully, have many laws in place about what drugs can be marketed to the public (via their doctor's) with respect to clinical trials. I would much rather live in a world with FDA/government oversight on drug availability than with some random corporate jerk-offs trying to profit on an untested drug. But this wasn't science; the science (i.e., pharmacology or biochemistry) of Thalidomide and DDT is well understood...it just was the misapplication of these drugs for profit which led to major tragedy.

As to doctors not wanting vaccines, I do agree with @Hinchcliffe's Corner that perhaps the medical profession isn't for them. In the USA all medicals schools worth their salt have some version of the Hippocratic oath, which medical students are expected to follow. This includes, in some form, a statement about doing no harm. I would hope these students would have also taken a medical ethics class (about the balance of personal freedom versus collective responsibility) and a medical history class (which would show that vaccines are in the top three inventions in the history of humanity, saving more lives/improving more livelihoods than any other invention in the history of ever).

The Covid vaccine, at least in the USA, was highly vetted and its development started well before the pandemic hit.

'First Do No Harm' is the term I think your describing.

Tho I only know that cos of an old film..

 

[verreauxi]

Mr. pathological contrarian is back spreading anti-vax information simply because his life didn't turn out as planned. Can you imagine taking a small issue about fast-mutating respiratory virus (selectively using alt-right conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec as your "evidence") and thinking you've somehow managed to tear down the entire edifice of science. All because you've discovered the concept of breakthrough infections--something that happens more so in fast-mutating viruses spread through air (versus say slower mutating viruses spread through sexual contact). Quite literally, the quote our tendentious huckster posts--"Our data from the CDC today suggest that vaccinated people do not carry the virus"--exactly confirms how and why science works, not how it doesn't. One bases health policy on the data at hand, and updates it regularly, as does science.

What goes unmentioned by this clown is that if everyone actually got vaccinated at the earliest possible time, instead of playing idiotic and dangerous political games and spreading misinformation, then the vaccine would have been more contained, as it was based on minimizing existing variants, not future variants that would occur because some fools decided to let the virus mutate inside them because they didn't get vaccinated. But this is lost on Mr. I-understand-science-better-than-scientists-despite-being-an-amateur-photographer.

Our idiot fraudster tried to suggest vaccines don't work in the Omicron era by linking this post and to these data. What Mr. "I'm smarter than every scientist alive despite having no background in science" doesn't tell you is that his so called data are so cherry-picked it's laughable. First, the data only go up to May 2022, conveniently the month that Mr. some-of-my-siblings-and-friends-have-stopped-talking-to-me decided to highlight in his highly selective post. Second, it is widely known that as more of the population is vaccinated, the per capita death rates will possibly increase among vaccinated as these are the people who are more likely to have preconditions, get vaccinated, yet not survive in spite of them (and vaccine protection wears off with time). Third, the cherry-picked data from May 2022 in the UK are contradicted by this:



And these are some data that I (admittedly quickly) generated using the whole available data set in the UK, not the cherry-picked data who chose to use the month of May 2022 to spread anti-vax information.



I'm sorry your parents didn't hug you enough but kindly go spread your idiotic and dangerous claims on another forum. You are unwell, and dangerously so.

And no, I'm not gonna respond to you, you alt-right fraud.

 

[RAFUH]

'First Do No Harm' is the term I think your describing.

Tho I only know that cos of an old film..

Ah bless you. You’ve made my point.
A quick sound bite of the hippocratic oath neither fully right nor wrong.

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

I hope you're happy with yourself @Daveysgingerlovechild

 

[LinekersLegs]

A crap attempt to simplify with what information was available while said information was rapidly evolving and growing. Health literacy in the US is abysmal (since your videos are US based). They were using a quick sound bite to get a more complex explanation disseminated to people who exist in a world with a very short attention span.

Vaccines do prevent transmission - in that if you are less likely to catch it, you are less like to transmit it.
They went all in with black and white, when it is/was more grey.

When you have hospitals overflowing, not enough staff to care for patients, running out of sedatives required to intubate people, require multiple refrigerated trucks for storing dead bodies, and have to consider protocols for rationing care (and all this is NOT hyperbole. It was happening), some corners will be cut to save lives. Greater good and all that.


Monday morning quarterbacking is easy.

Iirc in the early days of the vaccines there was quite a few studies that even for those that caught it if they were vaccinated they were less likely to spread it (presumably due to a reduction in viral load/reduced time of being contagious) to household members but things seemed to change with Delta and Omicron eg

COVID vaccine markedly cuts household transmission, studies show

www.cidrap.umn.edu

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2107717
"Overall, the likelihood of household transmission was approximately 40 to 50% lower in households of index patients who had been vaccinated 21 days or more before testing positive than in households of unvaccinated index patients; the findings were similar for the two vaccines. Most of the vaccinated index patients in our data set (93%) had received only the first dose of vaccine"

Scientists can only go on the data available to them and make conclusions accordingly.

"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do sir?..."

 

[Swartzy]

Think I've had 3 jabs now, Tho I did miss the last one I was called in for, but that wasn't down to any stand against them or anything.

I've had Covid twice. The first time if it wasn't for the fact that I had a meal booked out with my parents ( which I obviously didn't turn up for )
I wouldn't be on here speaking to you now.

Previously wearing the mask and having the jabs was never down to me wanting to for my own good, The choices simply came down to respecting others.
I wouldn't ever want to know that I passed it on to someone else because of my own refusal...

 

[bebo86]

Think I've had 3 jabs now, Tho I did miss the last one I was called in for, but that wasn't down to any stand against them or anything.

I've had Covid twice. The first time if it wasn't for the fact that I had a meal booked out with my parents ( which I obviously didn't turn up for )
I wouldn't be on here speaking to you now.

Previously wearing the mask and having the jabs was never down to me wanting to for my own good, The choices simply came down to respecting others.
I wouldn't ever want to know that I passed it on to someone else because of my own refusal...

What do you mean by that second paragraph mate?