News of Ex Players

[Connor]

Yeah just said this too, right or wrong you are either guility or you are innocent, in this case he is innocent, he hasnt been found innocent because it didnt go that far, he just is innocent

He just isn't innocent though. Please stop being so obtuse

 

[mahermi1]

I wonder if Moshiri knows an agent, or an agency manager quite well who could claim to have negotiated a deal worth, I dunno, £30m for [Player] that collapsed due to the events that have since been difficult to prove?

You have to ask where Everton wrong to suspend the player so early ?

 

[Ruairi77]

in the eyes of the law it does but i know what you mean.

and that's all we can go with.
What conor is doing is speculating that this guy must have done something because - yaknow, no smoke without fire or something...
This kind of speculation will plague this player for the rest of his life. A steep price to pay for a guy who had all charges dropped after a two year investigation.
They spent two years trying to bring a conviction but couldn't.
I'd imagine his personal and professional life are destroyed forever.

 

[Connor]

If you hand yourself into the police over something you've done, but they eventually don't charge you, that does not make you innocent

Jesus tonight

 

[Lee Smith]

Having charges dropped due to not enough evidence does not equal innocence

Article 6 of the Humans Rights Act 1988, and Article 11 of the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights would massively disagree with you there, but you know better I guess

 

[Shevin Keedy]

Yeah a honey trap as they call it

Oh is that what that is? So what's a money shot?

 

[Kever10]

He cant be found innocent of something he hasn't been charged with.
He is, there fore, innocent.
If a shop keeper accuses you of stealing sweets but there is no evidence or charges, you're innocent.

No, hes not therefore innocent, hes not been charged, there is a difference.

Your 1st 2 sentences contradict one another.

Do you think that if someone does something, is 100% guilty, but does not have enough incriminating evidence against them to charge, they are automatically innocent?

He is neither guilty nor innocent as no charges were brought.

Whether he commited a crime, we do not know. But in the eyes of the law, he is free as the case against him was dropped.

It's messy, but @Connor is right

 

[PhilM]

But the case is no longer ongoing is it? Do we have to just pretend he‘s never existed forever? How weird.

It’s life time immunity unless decided so by a judge; it’s to protect individuals, on both sides, in case a person is not prosecuted.

In the eyes of the law, he is innocent as a magistrate or jury has not found then guilty. It’s as simple as that. Morally? That’s different.

 

[Ruairi77]

He just isn't innocent though. Please stop being so obtuse

He is innocent.
Carlin's not being obtuse, if anything you are.

You're either innocent or guilty.
In this case he didn't even get to trial.

It's straight forward.

 

[Ruairi77]

If you hand yourself into the police over something you've done, but they eventually don't charge you, that does not make you innocent

Jesus tonight

it does.

 

[Lee Smith]

If you hand yourself into the police over something you've done, but they eventually don't charge you, that does not make you innocent

Jesus tonight

Out of interest, what information are you privy to that the rest of aren’t, that makes you so sure that he “handed himself in” over “something he’d done”.

How do you know he didn’t attend the police station to assist them with their enquires about an alleged offence that, you know, quite possibly, didn’t actually take place?

 

[4737carlin]

Oh is that what that is? So what's a money shot?

A money shot is when Keane scores

 

[Ruairi77]

It’s life time immunity unless decided so by a judge; it’s to protect individuals, on both sides, in case a person is not prosecuted.

In the eyes of the law, he is innocent as a magistrate or jury has not found then guilty. It’s as simple as that. Morally? That’s different.

Right and seeing as none of us know the facts of the case, none of us can (or at least shouldn't) make a moral judgement.

 

[Connor]

He is innocent.
Carlin's not being obtuse, if anything you are.

You're either innocent or guilty.
In this case he didn't even get to trial.

It's straight forward.

Unnamed international who plays in midfield for Arsenal innocent then is he?

 

[MikeH72]

Yeah just said this too, right or wrong you are either guility or you are innocent, in this case he is innocent, he hasnt been found innocent because it didnt go that far, he just is innocent

You saying all those people that have been wrongly imprisoned for crimes they didn’t commit are actually guilty?