News of Ex Players

[Ruairi77]

Unnamed international who plays in midfield for Arsenal innocent then is he?

no idea

 

[Groucho]

You have to ask where Everton wrong to suspend the player so early ?

No. This was the correct course of action.

 

[4737carlin]

You saying all those people that have been wrongly imprisoned for crimes they didn’t commit are actually guilty?

In the eyes of the law they are yes, wrongly imprisoned, you said it yourself

 

[Alan Whittle]

No, hes not therefore innocent, hes not been charged, there is a difference.

Your 1st 2 sentences contradict one another.

Do you think that if someone does something ,is 100% guilty but does not have enough incriminating evidence against them to charge, they are automatically innocent?

He is neither guilty nor innocent as no charges were brought.

Whether he commited a crime, we do not know. But in the eyes of the law, he is free as the case against him was dropped.

It's messy, but @Connor is right

Ah, the old Metropolitan Police conundrum. Bang to rights guilty but no evidence.

 

[HowardsWay]

I dont know enough of the legal system, but can you settle a case like this where it involves a minor? My gut instinct would be 'surely not'.

There's two angles... civil and criminal. My guess is that there may have been a civil case or at least the threat of one. If you settle that, it would usually be a case of "we pay you this, you drop out of giving evidence against us". Even if that happens, a criminal charge can still be brought but the burden is to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. If the star witness then refuses to testify or provide evidence, then the case would usually get dropped. If there was still a lot of evidence, then the trial may still go ahead. I must add, that none of the above may apply to this case anyway.

 

[Nymzee]

(Old tweet, new meaning)

 

[Ruairi77]

He is neither guilty nor innocent as no charges were brought.
@Connor is right

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.
You cant be neither innocent nor guilty.
He hasn't been charged. Therefore he's innocent.
Your moral belief on his innocence is irrelevant.

 

[zukai12_]

What a mess!

 

[badloaf]

I bumped into Peter Beardsley at Cheshire Oaks on Wednesday. Age hasn’t weathered his beauty.

 

[4737carlin]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.
You cant be neither innocent nor guilty.
He hasn't been charged. Therefore he's innocent.
Your moral belief on his innocence is irrelevant.

I hope some of these who dont understand this never get called up for Jury service, they wont have a clue whats going on

 

[sd_1992]

Connor is getting at they aren't innocent or guilty as they haven't been found either.

I think, and Connor can correct me if im wrong, but I think Connor was merely saying that he hasn't been found innocent, just that there isn't the evidence to even charge him.

If i steal some sweets from the sweetshop, but the cameras weren't working. There will be no evidence to charge me for theft but it doesn't mean im innocent of stealing.

Equally, the same works for guilty as well.

Something something innocent until proven guilty…

Otherwise can you really say that you are innocent of it as a court hasn’t cleared you?

Rightly or wrongly the system works how it works and in this country you are innocent until convicted of a crime.

 

[PhilM]

Right and seeing as none of us know the facts of the case, none of us can (or at least shouldn't) make a moral judgement.

I totally agree mate. However, the point is that due to people knowing his name and (allegedly) some circumstances he will wrongly be labelled in a certain way.

 

[Walter Ego]

I hope some of these who dont understand this never get called up for Jury service, they wont have a clue whats going on

Pretty standard for a jury that

 

[Bazlar]

Will this effect our FFP in anyway

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

If you hand yourself into the police over something you've done, but they eventually don't charge you, that does not make you innocent

Jesus tonight

One of the reasons capital punishment should never return is that people who share your understanding of the difference between guilt and innocence may be on the jury.