Next Everton Manager

[ham2]

Actually, Dave has a point. I get that when its fallow, its kind of natural to veer into a "past managers pros and cons" chat, but if possible, could we keep this mainly about our next one.

No bans or warnings, just a polite request.

And yeah, I have had a good day before some smart arse asks!

Reported for swearing!

 

[Dixiesmidnightrunners]

So taking a team on a shoe string budget that struggled for years before he arrived and achieving regular to 6 finishes isn't that credible? Ok!

Oh and still not Unsworth.

No it ain't and never should be for Everton. If the majority of toffees have your mindset, and I certainly hope they don't, then winning a trophy will always be out of reach like it was with redhead. Utft and a winning mentality please, no sixth best, that's not our motto.

 

[harris78]

Palace, sorted
Leicester, sorted
West Ham, sorted
Everton, Mulling and sleepwalking into the abyss?

We've lost to one of those and are due to play the others shortly, we'll see whether the mulling strategy is the right one in what are, to be honest, 6 pointers like the Leicester game was at the time

Yes and if we had employed one of Hodgson, Puel or Moyes there would be a mutiny on their hands. I would rather take our time and weigh up all options that get some no mark in like those three

 

[hktoffee]

What did we achieve by doing that though? Nothing. May as well been finishing 10th and being proud of that for the fact we never progressed in 11 years.

Anyway

Still no news. Still believe we have done nothing in terms of trying to hire a manager, we should be sorting one out now like a sensible club

Moyes did put the club back to the best of the rest and I felt a lot better for getting 4th to 7th in most occasions than seeing us getting something like 14th in average before he arrived.

Yes some may glorify whatever the level of ambition you would like but the reality is without real big money the club cannot progress and complete with the Sky6.

 

[blue_order]

Hes 71 mert.

Wenger is 68 so it’s not that old

 

[bluestevon]

Palace, sorted
Leicester, sorted
West Ham, sorted
Everton, Mulling and sleepwalking into the abyss?

We've lost to one of those and are due to play the others shortly, we'll see whether the mulling strategy is the right one in what are, to be honest, 6 pointers like the Leicester game was at the time

Leicester - a manager who flopped badly at Saints before getting binned
West Ham - a manager who has flopped at three consecutive clubs before getting binned by each
Palace - a manager who is frankly absolutely terrible and we laughed at when he was in charge at those over the park and at England.


IF we end up hiring a good choice by waiting then don't see what the problem is, much rather that than a quick hire which ends up with one of those calibre that they all did.

 

[Bullet]

Marco Silva has come in significantly with several bookmakers today despite there being nothing in the media. He's now 3/1 second favourite on Skybet. Hopefully this and the delay in an announcement indicates there's contact between his reps and us.

 

[tsubaki]

Leicester - a manager who flopped badly at Saints before getting binned
West Ham - a manager who has flopped at three consecutive clubs before getting binned by each
Palace - a manager who is frankly absolutely terrible and we laughed at when he was in charge at those over the park and at England.


IF we end up hiring a good choice by waiting then don't see what the problem is, much rather that than a quick hire which ends up with one of those calibre that they all did.

TBF to Puel he didn't "flop badly" - they finished once place below they had under Koeman and the criticism of their lack of goals was down to the club selling Mane and not replacing him, as much as it was about tactics.

 

[Super Kevin sheedy]

A defeat then?

Expected ?

 

[bluestevon]

That wasn't the debate though, the debate was who was the better for us out of Moyes, Martinez and Koeman. It's not even a contest.

As for that last comment, we were fighting relegation and utter turd before he arrived. Still living in the 80's by any chance? It was only Moyes who actually gave us some credibility again after years of garbage.

As i was the one who posed the question about which of the three did the best, yeah it was Moyes obviously, but in no way shape or form do i regard him as a successful or even a manager who did good enough for us.

He initially did well, then stagnated - and stagnated when it was an era when other much worse teams went to difficult away games and won - we never did, other worse teams went and won trophies - we never did either.

You say he gave us back our credibility, I'd argue massively against that, he didn't - we where a struggling team when he took over and had been for years.

When Moyes took over at Everton - our last trophy was less than 7 years in the past, when he left it was 18 years in the past. Last league title was 15 years before, when he left it was 26 years in the past, he managed our expectations down at every opportunity - thats his style btw, first Manchester derby at united he referenced that City was where they aimed to be - putting united the reigning champions in a category below city by doing so, at Sunderland he immediately stated they where in a relegation fight at the start of the season - thus again downplaying expectations and ambitions.

At us he took over a fallen giant - which was still a big player - but one down at the time, he picked it up and then instead of puffing out his chest and pushing on, he spun the narrative that we where overachieving for a club of our size, that was all about Moyes bigging his 'achievements' up at the expense of the club, in fact the 'peoples' club line was absolutely cringe-worthy - it painted us as a local team for local people, at the exact same moment that the game was exploding across the globe, he also insulated this board against criticism by being fully supportive and in collusion with it's practices.

Some reckon he saved us from a potential abyss, and he may well have done that, but he was also instrumental in ensuring that our general perception now is not a fallen powerhouse of the English game, but is rather that of the best of the small teams who amount to nothing

 

[blue_order]

Marco Silva has come in significantly with several bookmakers today despite there being nothing in the media. He's now 3/1 second favourite on Skybet. Hopefully this and the delay in an announcement indicates there's contact between his reps and us.

It’s on then.

 

[bluestevon]

TBF to Puel he didn't "flop badly" - they finished once place below they had under Koeman and the criticism of their lack of goals was down to the club selling Mane and not replacing him, as much as it was about tactics.

played 53 games at saints, won 20 drew 13 lost 20

Finished on 46 points and -7 goal difference
season before they finished on 63 points with +18 goal difference.

I'd say in anyone's terms taking over a team and finishing 17 points worse off and a goal shift of 25 against is flopping mate

as for the criticism cos they sold mane - what did Koeman and Pocch have to face every season but the loss of several key players

They finished one place lower not because they where close to being as good as the previous year, but simply because besides top 7 last year every single other team was terrible

Putting them last year into context - they finished with a point less and 11 goal difference worse than we did under Martinez in his last season.

 

[Hong Kong Phooey]

Marco Silva has come in significantly with several bookmakers today despite there being nothing in the media. He's now 3/1 second favourite on Skybet. Hopefully this and the delay in an announcement indicates there's contact between his reps and us.

Just noticed that. Actually it was only Skybet that had his odds marginally coming in today, but during the last hour or so they’ve come in significantly across the board.

Wonder if a few have seen early editions of tonight’s papers..

 

[ianefc]

Marco Silva has come in significantly with several bookmakers today despite there being nothing in the media. He's now 3/1 second favourite on Skybet. Hopefully this and the delay in an announcement indicates there's contact between his reps and us.

Skybet have had Unsworth, Allardyce, Dyche all as favourites. They've also seen Simone in from 66's to 16's. They're not worth trusting.

 

[Bullet]

Wonder if a few have seen early editions of tonight’s papers..

We can only hope. Silva would be a solution that most would embrace but it's hard to see him leaving Watford so soon.