Next Everton Manager

[Rob17896]

It's a really good point mate. I think Silva's CV is better than Unsworth, though Unsworth "gets" the club. I think a lot depends on a) your confidence we can attract a top target in the summer and b) how much trouble you feel we are currently in. No easy answer. I would be happy with either, particularly if Unworths gets a couple of good results, (I think he needs at least 1 win in the next 2 to keep him in with a chance).

What does 'getting the club' really mean? Surely our views of it will differ and most of us have never worked there.

 

[dholliday]

You did watch the Lyon, Leicester & Chelsea games didnt you.

Edit...and 70 minutes of the Watford game.

Yes, and I agree it was proper dire straits, money-for-nothing stuff (tho' Chelsea we played alright, to be fair).

But that last 20 mins vs Watford is what football is (sometimes) made of. That special moment when fortunes changes, form changes and things suddenly look brighter. Everyone feels it, from the players & coaches to the fans. Well, in this case not everyone as many Evertonians are understandably raw from so many past disappointments. Getting our hopes up only hurts more when things come crashing down...

Still, if I was making the big decisions, balancing the pros & cons of everything and the realities of the new-manager market, I'd still give Rhino the job until the end of the season. He, and our players, need at least to know where they stand for the foreseeable future.

 

[catcherintherye]

What does 'getting the club' really mean? Surely our views of it will differ and most of us have never worked there.

It's a good point. I think it means understands the unique demands of the fans. Understands the demands and culture of the club internally.

Everton is a unique club. Very few have the intensity and scrutiny from its fans. I am from outside of the area and it's very clear to me.

 

[catcherintherye]

Yes, and I agree it was proper dire straits, money-for-nothing stuff. But that last 20 mins vs Watford is what football is (sometimes) made of. That special moment when fortunes changes, form changes and things suddenly look brighter. Everyone feels it, from the players & coaches to the fans. Well, in this case not everyone as many Evertonians are understandably raw from so many past disappointments. Getting our hopes up only hurts more when things come crashing down...

Still, if I was making the big decisions, balancing the pros & cons of everything and the realities of the new-manager market, I'd still give Rhino the job until the end of the season. He, and our players, need at least to know where they stand for the foreseeable future.

We've seen seasons turn on such moments particularly under Moyes.

Unsworth will feel a million dollars after that. He will be able to congratulate the players. It's a little thing that can make a big difference.

 

[blulouie]

Yes, and I agree it was proper dire straits, money-for-nothing stuff (tho' Chelsea we played alright, to be fair).

But that last 20 mins vs Watford is what football is (sometimes) made of. That special moment when fortunes changes, form changes and things suddenly look brighter. Everyone feels it, from the players & coaches to the fans. Well, in this case not everyone as many Evertonians are understandably raw from so many past disappointments. Getting our hopes up only hurts more when things come crashing down...

Still, if I was making the big decisions, balancing the pros & cons of everything and the realities of the new-manager market, I'd still give Rhino the job until the end of the season. He, and our players, need at least to know where they stand for the foreseeable future.

Admire your passion to keep Unsworth in the job.....but I'm afraid its a no for me.

 

[jceverton]

Yes, and I agree it was proper dire straits, money-for-nothing stuff (tho' Chelsea we played alright, to be fair).

But that last 20 mins vs Watford is what football is (sometimes) made of. That special moment when fortunes changes, form changes and things suddenly look brighter. Everyone feels it, from the players & coaches to the fans. Well, in this case not everyone as many Evertonians are understandably raw from so many past disappointments. Getting our hopes up only hurts more when things come crashing down...

Still, if I was making the big decisions, balancing the pros & cons of everything and the realities of the new-manager market, I'd still give Rhino the job until the end of the season. He, and our players, need at least to know where they stand for the foreseeable future.

+1

 

[FTY]

Wrong. He had top-flight experience with Porto. He had no major league experience (Prem, Spain, Italy, Germany and at a push France).

Even then what's your point? You're comparing Silva to Jose on the basis of both having no major league experience, when the clear counter-point to that is what Jose achieved with Porto and what Silva has achieved so far. Jose proved himself back then, hence why a newly-big club like Chelsea went for him.

Would a big club go for Silva now? Of course not.

And? It's 2017 and we haven't won anything for a generation, not one player or manager looks at us as a big club.

Acting like one won't turn us into one

 

[Khalekan]

What does 'getting the club' really mean? Surely our views of it will differ and most of us have never worked there.

Indeed it is a subjective concept.

I cannot elucidate what “getting the club” means in practice.

But I can sum up the opposite of “getting the club” in two words.

Ronald Koeman.

 

[Khalekan]

And? It's 2017 and we haven't won anything for a generation, not one player or manager looks at us as a big club.

Acting like one won't turn us into one

I am not so sure about that.

The RS have won nowt of any signicance in over a decade and Thatcher was still in Downing Street when last they won the league.

They have really fallen behind Chelsea, the Manc clubs and increasingly now Spurs

That doesn’t stop them behaving and acting like a European super power and doing so helps keep their profile strong.

Not bigging ourselves up has been the Achilles Heel of EFC since televised football catapulted the game into the public eye in the 1960s.

 

[Toffee in Jandals]

What does 'getting the club' really mean? Surely our views of it will differ and most of us have never worked there.

I'll try.

Knowing our history, understanding that Everton is very much a club ingrained in the local community. So, with that, there is an intense depth of pride & passion in the fanbase that is unlike any other PL club that I can see (not that I am even from the area). A working-class club, proud of it's roots and even more proud of the local players who come through to make the first team. Working hard and giving 100% are absolute minimum requirements.

Bonus points if you're bitter, cynical and pessimistic, and hate everything red, including christmas decorations (eh, Ronald).

 

[Aqui1a]

Good win percentage = getting the club. lol

"We're winning loads of games, which is what makes us happy... This manager gets us!"

 

[ilikecheese]

Indeed it is a subjective concept.

I cannot elucidate what “getting the club” means in practice.

But I can sum up the opposite of “getting the club” in two words.

Ronald Koeman.

Everyone can hate on Roberto all they want. In terms of 'getting Everton' his flaw was being too positive. But beyond that he wasn't afraid to have high aspiration and get knee deep in the community. His speach at the pit on the 25th anniversary of Hillsborough choked me up. Imagine dour Dave speaking at that. He got us except he couldn't be honest with us (and perhaps himself) about how crap we were. I still think lack of focus on fitness was his biggest downfall...expected players to manage that on their own. He probably very much did as a player and failed to understand that not everyone was like him.

 

[Eggs]

Yes, and I agree it was proper dire straits, money-for-nothing stuff (tho' Chelsea we played alright, to be fair).

But that last 20 mins vs Watford is what football is (sometimes) made of. That special moment when fortunes changes, form changes and things suddenly look brighter. Everyone feels it, from the players & coaches to the fans. Well, in this case not everyone as many Evertonians are understandably raw from so many past disappointments. Getting our hopes up only hurts more when things come crashing down...

Still, if I was making the big decisions, balancing the pros & cons of everything and the realities of the new-manager market, I'd still give Rhino the job until the end of the season. He, and our players, need at least to know where they stand for the foreseeable future.

.....sounds great but imagine making that decision now based on 20mins and then we lose at Palace. I guarantee things will not look brighter. Every game under Unsworth we’ve conceded at least 2 goals, we won’t always be so fortunate to score 3 as we did against Watford.

There is no need to appoint Unsworth at this stage. He has caretaker status, I wouldn’t change that until there is clear evidence of improvement, until there is clear evidence we are a difficult team to beat. Until then we can continue to look elsewhere.

 

[GwladysBlue]

What does 'getting the club' really mean? Surely our views of it will differ and most of us have never worked there.

Apparently our chairman ‘gets the club’. If that’s the case, I’d rather have somebody who doesn’t, given the fact he has bled us dry for two decades.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

I would much prefer a manager who gets trophies rather than one who merely ‘gets’ the club.