billyblue80
Player Valuation: £70m
It seems when not if really, I'm betting next week for around ten million
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Yes lets just offer a billion!! Does these reporters not understand negotiations? I bet they'd be cautious with their own cash
Anders_Limpar
Player Valuation: £750k
There was a time not so long ago when Farhad Moshiri, Everton’s major shareholder, remained relatively anonymous and could simply sit back with his business associate Alisher Usmanov and pick apart Stan Kroenke’s running of Arsenal. How they must miss those days now.
This year, the pantomime season has come early for Everton. The club’s search for a new manager - a search being headed by Moshiri - is creating even more mess at a club that spent £140 million last summer only to find themselves sixth from bottom in the Premier League.
To recap, Ronald Koeman was sacked on October 23 after a two-month downturn in results in which Everton won only two matches. David Unsworth was put in charge (losing three games and winning one) until the international break, when Everton were expected to roll out the masterplan to restabilise the club.
It has become obvious, however, that when Koeman was dismissed there was no clear succession plan. The timing of Koeman’s sacking was especially ironic given that it came after a 5-2 defeat by Arsenal, the club in which Moshiri sold his shares in 2016 and bought a 49.9 per cent stake in Everton because he wanted more of a say in the running of a Premier League club.
It seems there is no coherent, joined-up strategy. So far there has been a meeting with Sam Allardyce, a courtship of Diego Simeone with a view to a summer appointment and, belatedly yesterday, a pile of money waved at Watford in the hope that they would release Marco Silva and take on the problem of finding a manager themselves. Predictably, they said no.
Silva has come round to the idea of moving to Goodison Park — just as Koeman was persuaded by Moshiri’s millions to quit Southampton in the summer of 2016 — having initially not wanted to appear disloyal and walk out on Watford after only 11 matches.
That will give Everton encouragement but, equally, Moshiri’s compensation package of about £8.5 million was hardly likely to turn heads at Watford, who cleverly did not allow Silva a break clause in his contract.
Even in the modern game, where clubs happily pay tens of millions for players but try to secure managers on the cheap, the maths did not add up.
If Silva is as good as Everton think, and don’t forget that Unsworth’s sole victory involved coming from 2-0 down to win 3-2 against Watford, then he is the difference between staying in the top flight or not. That difference is worth in the region of £100 million and in that context, Everton’s offer can hardly be described as enticing.
That said, it also feels like the beginning of the end for Silva at Watford and perhaps it is a matter of when, and to where, he eventually moves. The Portuguese has shown that he views the club as a stepping stone and that in itself could have ramifications for their season given that early momentum has been stalled by three successive defeats.
In the meantime, Allardyce — whose presence as a candidate has polarised opinion — has grown frustrated at the lack of progress, while Burnley’s Sean Dyche knows he is at least fourth choice if the wheel of fortune ever comes spinning back in his direction.
As for the Atletico Madrid coach Simeone, goodness knows what he is thinking, but the internet spoofs that have circulated since his name was mentioned may offer a gauge.
It is hard not to feel sympathy for Unsworth, who stepped into the breach and continues to take training daily while unsure if he will be in charge for Saturday’s game at Crystal Palace — a match which feels crucial at the lower end of the table.
His hand has been weakened further by the way Everton have gone about their business and yet he could be asked to rouse a set of players who know that he is not the club’s preferred permanent manager.
Kevin Mirallas and Morgan Schneiderlin have already chosen to walk off the training pitch when challenged by the interim backroom staff over a perceived lack of effort rather than display the humility required to drag the club out of the mire.
Unless Silva agitates and Watford cave in — and there is no sign of the latter — Everton, increasingly, appear to have two options: go cap in hand to Allardyce, massage his ego and offer him a big bonus if he keeps them up, or back Unsworth.
Whatever way Moshiri goes, it is time for some clarity of thought.
This year, the pantomime season has come early for Everton. The club’s search for a new manager - a search being headed by Moshiri - is creating even more mess at a club that spent £140 million last summer only to find themselves sixth from bottom in the Premier League.
To recap, Ronald Koeman was sacked on October 23 after a two-month downturn in results in which Everton won only two matches. David Unsworth was put in charge (losing three games and winning one) until the international break, when Everton were expected to roll out the masterplan to restabilise the club.
It has become obvious, however, that when Koeman was dismissed there was no clear succession plan. The timing of Koeman’s sacking was especially ironic given that it came after a 5-2 defeat by Arsenal, the club in which Moshiri sold his shares in 2016 and bought a 49.9 per cent stake in Everton because he wanted more of a say in the running of a Premier League club.
It seems there is no coherent, joined-up strategy. So far there has been a meeting with Sam Allardyce, a courtship of Diego Simeone with a view to a summer appointment and, belatedly yesterday, a pile of money waved at Watford in the hope that they would release Marco Silva and take on the problem of finding a manager themselves. Predictably, they said no.
Silva has come round to the idea of moving to Goodison Park — just as Koeman was persuaded by Moshiri’s millions to quit Southampton in the summer of 2016 — having initially not wanted to appear disloyal and walk out on Watford after only 11 matches.
That will give Everton encouragement but, equally, Moshiri’s compensation package of about £8.5 million was hardly likely to turn heads at Watford, who cleverly did not allow Silva a break clause in his contract.
Even in the modern game, where clubs happily pay tens of millions for players but try to secure managers on the cheap, the maths did not add up.
If Silva is as good as Everton think, and don’t forget that Unsworth’s sole victory involved coming from 2-0 down to win 3-2 against Watford, then he is the difference between staying in the top flight or not. That difference is worth in the region of £100 million and in that context, Everton’s offer can hardly be described as enticing.
That said, it also feels like the beginning of the end for Silva at Watford and perhaps it is a matter of when, and to where, he eventually moves. The Portuguese has shown that he views the club as a stepping stone and that in itself could have ramifications for their season given that early momentum has been stalled by three successive defeats.
In the meantime, Allardyce — whose presence as a candidate has polarised opinion — has grown frustrated at the lack of progress, while Burnley’s Sean Dyche knows he is at least fourth choice if the wheel of fortune ever comes spinning back in his direction.
As for the Atletico Madrid coach Simeone, goodness knows what he is thinking, but the internet spoofs that have circulated since his name was mentioned may offer a gauge.
It is hard not to feel sympathy for Unsworth, who stepped into the breach and continues to take training daily while unsure if he will be in charge for Saturday’s game at Crystal Palace — a match which feels crucial at the lower end of the table.
His hand has been weakened further by the way Everton have gone about their business and yet he could be asked to rouse a set of players who know that he is not the club’s preferred permanent manager.
Kevin Mirallas and Morgan Schneiderlin have already chosen to walk off the training pitch when challenged by the interim backroom staff over a perceived lack of effort rather than display the humility required to drag the club out of the mire.
Unless Silva agitates and Watford cave in — and there is no sign of the latter — Everton, increasingly, appear to have two options: go cap in hand to Allardyce, massage his ego and offer him a big bonus if he keeps them up, or back Unsworth.
Whatever way Moshiri goes, it is time for some clarity of thought.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Times article in full:
There was a time not so long ago when Farhad Moshiri, Everton’s major shareholder, remained relatively anonymous and could simply sit back with his business associate Alisher Usmanov and pick apart Stan Kroenke’s running of Arsenal. How they must miss those days now.
This year, the pantomime season has come early for Everton. The club’s search for a new manager - a search being headed by Moshiri - is creating even more mess at a club that spent £140 million last summer only to find themselves sixth from bottom in the Premier League.
To recap, Ronald Koeman was sacked on October 23 after a two-month downturn in results in which Everton won only two matches. David Unsworth was put in charge (losing three games and winning one) until the international break, when Everton were expected to roll out the masterplan to restabilise the club.
It has become obvious, however, that when Koeman was dismissed there was no clear succession plan. The timing of Koeman’s sacking was especially ironic given that it came after a 5-2 defeat by Arsenal, the club in which Moshiri sold his shares in 2016 and bought a 49.9 per cent stake in Everton because he wanted more of a say in the running of a Premier League club.
It seems there is no coherent, joined-up strategy. So far there has been a meeting with Sam Allardyce, a courtship of Diego Simeone with a view to a summer appointment and, belatedly yesterday, a pile of money waved at Watford in the hope that they would release Marco Silva and take on the problem of finding a manager themselves. Predictably, they said no.
Silva has come round to the idea of moving to Goodison Park — just as Koeman was persuaded by Moshiri’s millions to quit Southampton in the summer of 2016 — having initially not wanted to appear disloyal and walk out on Watford after only 11 matches.
As for Atletico Madrid coach Simeone, goodness knows what he is thinking
That will give Everton encouragement but, equally, Moshiri’s compensation package of about £8.5 million was hardly likely to heads at Watford, who cleverly did not allow Silva a break clause in his contract.
Even in the modern game, where clubs happily pay tens of millions for players but try to secure managers on the cheap, the maths did not add up.
If Silva is as good as Everton think, and don’t forget that Unsworth’s sole victory involved coming from 2-0 down to win 3-2 against, then he is the difference between staying in the top flight or not. That difference is worth in the region of £100 million and in that context, Everton’s offer can hardly be described as enticing.
That said, it also feels like the beginning of the end for Silva at Watford and perhaps it is a matter of when, and to where, he eventually moves. The Portuguese has shown that he views the club as a stepping stone and that in itself could have ramifications for their season given that early momentum has been stalled by three successive defeats.
In the meantime, Allardyce — whose presence as a candidate has polarised opinion — has grown frustrated at the lack of progress, while Burnley’s Sean Dyche knows he is at least fourth choice if the wheel of fortune ever comes spinning back in his direction.
As for the Atletico Madrid coach Simeone, goodness knows what he is thinking, but the internet spoofs that have circulated since his name was mentioned may offer a gauge.
It is hard not to feel sympathy for Unsworth, who stepped into the breach and continues to take training daily while unsure if he will be in charge for Saturday’s game at Crystal Palace — a match which feels crucial at the lower end of the table.
His hand has been weakened further by the way Everton have gone about their business and yet he could be asked to rouse a set of players who know that he is not the club’s preferred permanent manager.
Kevin Mirallas and Morgan Schneiderlin have already chosen to walk off the training pitch when challenged by the interim backroom staff over a perceived lack of effort rather than display the humility required to drag the club out of the mire.
Unless Silva agitates and Watford cave in — and there is no sign of the latter — Everton, increasingly, appear to have two options: go cap in hand to Allardyce, massage his ego and offer him a big bonus if he keeps them up, or back Unsworth.
Whatever way Moshiri goes, it is time for some clarity of thought.
billyblue80
Player Valuation: £70m
Joyce is right about one thing it's a messy way to conduct your business. Surely you secure the target prior to sacking I know circumstances are tricky. But we look so amateurish.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
We are basically offering them the money they still owe us for Cleverley and a little bit on top
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Third option is to just up the watford offer - which i am guessing is what will happen
Until we become a club that wins stuff or is in the Champs league we have to deal with this level of manager. I don't think we do look that bad. We don't know how many ELITE managers (if any) have turn us down and Silva is down the list or near the top. There may have been talking to his agent for weeks for all we know
Has Joyce ever written such damning articles like this one before at the club.
He is basically calling Mosh and Kenwright amateurs in this article.
He is basically calling Mosh and Kenwright amateurs in this article.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Yesah, probably.
By the sound of that Times article though it looks like Silva is very interested and that Watford will have to get real.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I'm sure we will.
Silva's days are numbered there. There might not be a quote from him but fans these days know how to read the runes. Watford can sell him now or gamble on retaining a manager not completely in the fight to get a decent bottom half place...which is realistically all that's there for them.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Interesting part for me is this Dave
Unless Silva agitates and Watford cave in — and there is no sign of the latter —
Note that he specifically states no sign of Watford caving in - but doesn't mention Silva not agitating, it's a clear - you want the move push for it signal IMO
IF a manager wants to leave then honestly it's madness trying to stop that move - if a fair price is offered, and i'd think the same about an Everton manager who wanted to leave is as well
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
8.5m and you know that money you still owe us from cleverley that you have to pay us in instalments, yeah forget about that as well
Deal done
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
If Silva comes out and says he wants to leave then it's game over for sure.
I dont think Watford though are as resolute as Joyce suggests.
Mutzo Nutzo
Player Valuation: £70m
Gallardo's contract expires 31 Dec 2017...Better manager/coach and he will be free
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