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Next Everton Manager

Manager?

  • Rhino

    Votes: 85 8.7%

  • Tuchel

    Votes: 168 17.2%

  • Simeone

    Votes: 259 26.6%

  • Dyche

    Votes: 59 6.1%

  • Allardyce

    Votes: 91 9.3%

  • Silva

    Votes: 283 29.0%

  • Hiddink

    Votes: 30 3.1%
  • Total voters
    975
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BigBlueNose said:
ive been drawn in... against my will
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catcherintherye said:
The Simeone thing has more legs than most I'd say.

I don't think he would come here, but he hasn't completely batted it away. It does make me wonder quite what the proposal was/is.
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seriously mate, this is the big name that HAS to be thrown out to us, just so it looks like the board ore thinking big.

Bill Kenwright has played us like a fiddle for years, and nothing is any different here.

It was Mourinho last time we searched for a manager.
 
BigBlueNose said:
seriously mate, this is the big name that HAS to be thrown out to us, just so it looks like the board ore thinking big.

Bill Kenwright has played us like a fiddle for years, and nothing is any different here.

It was Mourinho last time we searched for a manager.
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This doesn't seem like Kenwright to me at all. Kenwright was clever at his bluffs bit made them believable.

I sense we did speak to Mourinho but we are not sure how far those talks went, I imagine they were done as soon as United showed an interest.

I suppose I'd have expected more of a rebuttal. There hasn't been much. I doubt Simeone will happen, but it's odd they haven't laughed it out of town.
 


Kenshin said:
But this view of giving him the season, is that so black and white also? Because where i stand that means a potential relegation this season by sticking by a manager who isn't good enough for the top league with so little inexperience. At the very least it puts us in a spiral that leads us to having to offer someone like allardyce a contract and for longer than a few months which rips up this big idea of getting better in the summer. And that is the thing, getting a better option in the summer, why do you honestly believe that to be the case? What makes you think that this board is even capable of doing that? When they struggle to even competently get through a transfer window 2 years running? When they can't replace the one player thst needed replacing this summer? Their one job above all others?

What I have seen so far is young Kenny lose a hell of a lot of confidence and actually struggle this season in the team. I have no doubt the kid will be our right back in years to come and he has really impressed me but he is not only struggling but doing so in a team constantly getting beat. How is that positive for his or ant other young players development? And on the case of Benni, again he will be good enough one day but he isn't at the level we need him to be now. Picking him over klassen/schneiderlin/McCarthy/besic alone is always going to send out the wrong message to the team. That the current manager won't even consider them anymore? What's the point in them caring then? At a time we kinda do need players to give a damn about our situation?

You say we look 'more' a team except do we? Again from where I stand we are leaking goals actually more consistently than we ever did under koeman. 4 games in and we concede 2 minimum under unsworth, meaning we do have to score 3 a game to win. And we did win last week, massive relief for all of us. It only took niasse chasing a lost cause, them losing 2 of their first team and a missed penalty to do it. Do you really think that was not just down to luck? That if niasse doesn't grab a goal out of nothing again that we go on and lose again? It's purely fantasy to think based on that one game we have turned any sort of corner. Even the worst teams this league sees gets a win or two, Sunderland thumped palace 4-0 last January, didn't do anything to their survival bid though. I'll always disregard the Chelsea game considering the circumstances the manager had but for his other 3 games he got it wrong, every single game. Leicester beat us in 45 minutes because the tactics were wrong from the get go. Lyon was a must win game and we went there without a striker on the pitch. I don't care if we had a good little spell in the game, what was the end score? Watford we were dead and buried before our write off striker saved another managers arse this season. Because if we lose that game I guarantee you not a single fan would even consider the prospect of unsworth taking charge of any more games. Same as bournemouth bought koeman time, Watford seemingly bought unsworth time, time I genuinely believe he shouldn't have if we have any ambition as a football club.

Because here's the thing, still over 80 points to play for this season. As of right now we can still challenge for the title , we can still finish top 4 and we can certainly finish top 6. I don't believe we will under any circumstances but theoretically the whole season is ahead of us. So to relate back to your point about giving unsworth the season, do you think he can take us to the top 6? Challenge the top 4? That's the aim, that's ambition off the back of 140 million spent. To write the season off in November by having an intern manager with no experience just to hope the board who can't buy a striker for 2 years can pull off a good manager? Makes me embarassed to be a blue, because last time I checked nothing but the best is good enough and right now we just want to accept anything we can get.

Oh and we stick with unsworth for the season, we stay up, perhaps lower half and season over in August. What actually decent manager even looks twice at us? Never mind how much money we pay them, you wouldn't expect a good manager to go to stoke , to west Brom, to Burnley? Because despite everything, despite all the money spent, despite all the ambition spoken out, in 3 years we aren't even better than them clubs. We finished below them under Martinez for 2 years straight and seemingly we are back to their level again. But it's fine, we bought their best players as our insurance policy. Really helped us out there
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And that is the thing, getting a better option in the summer, why do you honestly believe that to be the case? What makes you think that this board is even capable of doing that?
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Well to turn your question back on you - what makes you think that the board is capable of getting a good option now, when there are less managers available?

What I have seen so far is young Kenny lose a hell of a lot of confidence and actually struggle this season in the team.
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What i have seen is a manager, Koeman, destroy Kenny's confidence by not giving him any game time last season, to tell him in the summer that he was fourth choice, to sign a journeyman third rate player and refuse to give him a chance until things got desperate. What I have seen since Unsworth came in is a lad who's confidence has increased game by game and who has gradually got better with each game, because, strangely enough, he has a manager who has some faith in him. As Seamus Coleman said of Paul Cook his manager at Sligo, "He made me feel like I was the best player in the League. It just makes such a difference when you have a manager who believes in you." That is what is happening to Kenny at the minute and the more experience he gets in the first team the better it will be in the long run for him and for Everton.

And on the case of Benni, again he will be good enough one day but he isn't at the level we need him to be now. Picking him over klassen/schneiderlin/McCarthy/besic alone is always going to send out the wrong message to the team.
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I think the message it sends out to the team is this, we've got a promising young kid who is breathing down your necks and aiming to get in the first team, if you want to stay there you better get your finger out and start playing to you full potential. That's exactly the right message to send in my opinion.

It only took niasse chasing a lost cause, them losing 2 of their first team and a missed penalty to do it. Do you really think that was not just down to luck? That if niasse doesn't grab a goal out of nothing again that we go on and lose again? It's purely fantasy to think based on that one game we have turned any sort of corner.
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So coming from 2-0 down was all luck, nothing to do with team spirit, not giving in and not letting our heads drop. We had a chance with Baines in the first half, Sigurdsson missed a very good chance to equalise. So yes we had luck but it certainly wasn't all down to luck. As for turning a corner I posted earlier that Unsworth needs time on the training ground to turn us around and given that we haven't got a 7 day gap between games until some time in the New Year then the likelihood is that we will gradually keep improving but performances will continue to be erratic.

As of right now we can still challenge for the title , we can still finish top 4 and we can certainly finish top 6. I don't believe we will under any circumstances but theoretically the whole season is ahead of us. So to relate back to your point about giving unsworth the season, do you think he can take us to the top 6? Challenge the top 4?
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I didn't think this squad of players, as it stands now, could get us into the top 6 at the start of this season so i've got no reason to change my mind just because Unsworth is in temporary charge. Koeman's omni-shambles of a transfer 'strategy' has left us with an ageing slow defence and a very limited forward line. If we get 7th with this squad then Unsworth will of worked a minor miracle in my opinion. What i would like to see is the development of the younger players this season with a view to appointing a manager who can build a team around young players and who has a record of overachieving. Achieving a stable position in the league and winning the FA cup should be our aim for the rest of the season.
 
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