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Next manager discussion (poll reset 21/05/2016)

Who would you want?

  • Frank de Boer

    Votes: 302 17.0%
  • David Moyes

    Votes: 56 3.2%
  • Manuel Pellegrini

    Votes: 152 8.6%
  • Ronald Koeman

    Votes: 286 16.1%
  • Other (please state below)

    Votes: 109 6.1%
  • Unai Emery

    Votes: 870 49.0%

  • Total voters
    1,775
  • Poll closed .
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Out of those 4 it would be Koeman for me. His teams play with a high energy, have athletic midfielders that get around the park, defenders that can defend. His team gets the ball forward quick and has 1 or 2 - Mane and Tadic that can change the game. Premier league football has changed and the current way to play is the high energy game which Southampton do.
 
Pellegrini spunked millions and couldn't get City anywhere near the title the last two seasons.

Their away form is awful too under him, every decent side has beaten them pretty easily
 

Not unless he was playing for Chelsea that season mate, no.

He's gash, City fans think he's gash as well, largely because he is.....

In his peak he was a very good player for Bayern Munich Argentina and City. He's fallen off that like any player would. Pellegrini brought him as third or fourth choice centreback. Unfortunately Lescott falling off a cliff and Kompany being perennially injured as well as the no shows from Mangala and Otamendi meant he played more than he probably imagined. Doesn't make him a bad buy.
 
Koeman is far and away the better choice than FDB imo. Can't be bothered with another manager trying to 'perfect his style', we need a pragmatist to succeed in this league and Koeman is certainly that (just watch his appearance on Monday Night Football).

Southampton 3 points off CL this year. Closer than Martinez got us in his first year. Get him in and fund him and we'll be vying for those CL spots guaranteed.

Exactly. So many red flags with de Boer:

- Rigid.
- Inexperienced
- True believer of one specific philosophy instead of being pragmatic in order to win.
- Poor record in knock out competitions.

For me, I can only see an FDB appointment going one way; another three year spell of mediocrity.

Now the question is this: Where do we go if Koeman turns us down?
 
How about Stuart Pearce? International experience and he'd get us playing with some passion again...

In all seriousness, we should either be looking to get someone in who can carry on the passing that Martinez installed, but with a solid defence and purposeful passing in attack, or we look to get a manager to change the system to the counterattacking setup that seems to be working well for teams at the moment. Personally I don't see that the two are necessarily mutually exclusive, but it'd be nice to see a continuation of the nice football we occasionally got under Martinez.
 
I still think Koeman should be our No.1 target now the Jose dream has died.

De Boer would be a massive gamble and Pelligrini is too close to Martinez in terms of his outlook on the game for me.

Mancini is a decent shout imo
 

Didier Deschamps is starting to appear on the betting scene, William Hill and sky having him around 20's.

Rudi garcia as well; surprised he hadn't been spoken about more often.

It'll be interesting couple of weeks that's for sure
 
Read the piece on Frank de Boer, very worrying. I'm hoping that the style of keep ball was because he was in a league where that sort of game was what was required. He does have the look of a less likeable Martinez


Frank de Boer’s vision: The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

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By Mohamed Moallim

Jim Collins, in “Good to Great”, wrote the secret of long-term corporate success lies in cultivating a distinctive set of values. For all the talk of diversity and globalisation, this usually means promoting from within and putting down deep local roots. Boris Groysberg, Harvard Business School, affirms companies are too obsessed with hiring stars rather than developing teams.

Both theorists have an ally in Frank de Boer. The difference is that he’s not concerned with Wall Street but the future of AFC Ajax. In essence the former left-back’s vision, to make the Dutch giants top of the food chain again, is the one perpetuated by Johan Cruyff, who championed De Boer to succeed Martin Jol. The legendary number 14 distinctive management model has been proven a success at FC Barcelona. De Boer is hopeful Ajax can enjoy similar riches. “Whether his vision can lead to a utopia in these times remains to be seen.”

After months of upheaval, the Amsterdam club are now restructuring around Cruyff’s philosophy with him in a new role overseeing the transition. Despite his departure from the board he still pulls the strings. With a historic back-to-back Eredivisie won, all eyes focus on the next phase: making an impact in Europe.

Europe is once again the final frontier. A club rich in tradition, decorated with success on the continent, knows the reality is different from years gone by. To once again conquer they will require luck and in the words of De Boer, "sheer belief”. As well as accelerating the individual development of his players. Their ‘daring’ brand of possession-based football, reminiscent of the period between 1986 and 1997 should hold them in good stead. But they will need to be braver, compact as well as clinical. It might not get them far but it’s a start. A presence in the latter stages of European competition is the first objective of a long-term goal.

In order to fulfill such an ambition De Boer has gone back to the future. But what is his and Cruyff’s outlook? The opposite to how Ajax has been run in the past 15 years. Reaching successive European Cup finals in the mid 90s hid a reality. The Dutch club were at a zenith, enjoying their most successful period since the early 70s, but behind the scenes the future wasn’t being safeguarded.

Louis Van Gaal, De Boer’s managerial role model, removed the ‘Michels model’. Individual based training at all levels. In the short-term it wasn’t seen as a big deal, but the subsequent Bosman ruling and rapid globalisation of the game would make the decision a heinous one. Ajax was forced into a slumber they’ve yet to recover from. They might never. But the first steps have been taken by De Boer to rectify things.

This only added more fuel to the fire of the feud between Van Gaal and Cruyff. One that is personal as well as philosophical. Van Gaal wrote in his autobiography of the genesis: “On December 26, 1989, I was a guest at Cruyff’s home with his family for Christmas. The phone rang and I got the news that my sister had died. I immediately left, but I later found out that Johan Cruyff and his family were upset because I left in a rush without thanking him for the invitation.” He would later refute such accusation: “If Van Gaal wrote that, it means he does not remember anything. He must have Alzheimer. Personally, I have no problems with him.”

Personal animosity aside, when it comes to football, their clashes boil down to collective versus individual. “Of course, Louis van Gaal has an understanding of football,” Cruyff said. “But we both have a clear difference in approach.” A good example is when it comes to development of players and running the youth program. Van Gaal, as well as Co Adriaanse, is credited with allowing the deterioration of Ajax’s academy in the mid 90s.

As a coach his approach is on the side of the collective, also applies to how he develops players, often militaristic it’s ultimately geared towards winning. “I do not think he can make Ajax a top club again,” Cruyff stressed. “He will get results short-term, but things have to change in order to improve Ajax.”

Cruyff, believes in the individual, under Van Gaal’s watch there was a shift away from the traditional approach – often referred to as the ‘Michels model’ – effectively the importance of individual training which Cruyff is an ardent supporter. The belief in this is during critical stages of a match, instead of relying on others, the player would solve the predicament himself – for example, running towards goal, he would know whether to shot or make a pass – character building is as much as important as skill development, talent is one thing but with a football brain things become more advantageous.

Also, every player is unique, no two are the same. In terms of ability and talent, each individuals’ strength combines to make a strong eleven. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. De Boer has bought into this philosophy which has been central to his rebuilding of Ajax. The result: a natural and seamless progression in implementing Van Gaal’s doctrine.

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Ajax’s 31st national championship was won by returning to their old principles. The intelligence shown in constant switching of formations in the last few months is a positive sign. De Boer wants to replicate this brand of football against Europe’s elite.

Football to Cruyff is more than just having technique and skills. It help’s having the two add intelligence the player becomes a different beast. “I never practice tricks. I play very simply. That’s what it’s all about,” he said. “The solution that seems the simplest is in fact the most difficult one. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust and daring.”

His one-time rival and close friend Guus Hiddink is another advocate. “Players should not just run with their legs, but with their head as well,” he said. “They should be conscious of the fact that they constantly have to think during a game. Sometimes players act without thinking. But they have to actively consider how they can break their opponent.”

There are encouraging signs, the next generation – majority of which will ascend to the first team soon – including Viktor Fischer, Stefano Denswil, Joël Veltman, Mitchell Dijks, Fabian Sporkslede, Davy Klaassen and Mats Rits. All have the advantage of being one of the first groups in over two decades to train and develop the same way De Boer did.

“The individual cleverness of the players was missing when I first got here (in 2006 as a youth team coach),” he said. “The individual action at the highest level is essential. We are now in training much more individualized. That is so important.”

This is why the restoration of intelligence is so important coupled with talent can be the difference in losing a game or not. Individual mistakes and loss of concentration when required has been the bane of his existence in the first half of the season. Awareness is something he’s always preached even as a player.

De Boer knew against Real Madrid and Lyon there would be limited openings. Whenever an opportunity arose it had to be seized. In the four games Ajax had nothing to show other than good spells of possession. Although they unfairly had two perfectly legitimate goals disallowed when Madrid came to town. After the 3-0 Bernabéu mauling, the Spanish press were split on the Amsterdammers performance. Some praised them for their bravery others called it naive. Naivety is often the by-product of a lack of experience especially at the highest level. As Immanuel Kant put it “theory without experience is mere intellectual play.”

After what seemed an age, the Dutch club – under Cruyff’s auspices – returned to the latter. This is where the individualized approach comes into play. De Boer, as much as he would like, knows he can’t go into the market and sign a €20M marquee player. Instead Ajax can develop one with the added advantage of being moulded in the clubs philosophy. “We know if we want to survive, we have to generate new players.”

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Aside from De Boer on the training field players are individually coached by a stellar cast of former players turned trainers including Jaap Stam, Bryan Roy and Marc Overmars, as well as members of the ‘technical heart’ Wim Jonk and Dennis Bergkamp. Already De Boer has handed professional debuts to nine players including Ricardo van Rhijn this season whose greatly impressed Stam as well as Bergkamp. His rise has seen him named as the clubs talent of the year.

Cruyff’s believes his structural changes can be the solution and will eventually lead his boyhood club returning to the summit of the European game. The same model he introduced at Barça, overhauling from grass roots upwards, is now certain to be adopted. Everything is in place, if much of De Boer’s squad – growing in experience – can be maintained, plus new additions. Amsterdam could be on the cusp of another bright era. A club that has come to define itself through success at home and abroad will never lack the drive and desire to be the best.

Mohamed Moallim is a Dutch football expert who has featured on AFR before. He mostly features on the respectable magazine FourFourTwo and occasionally writes for his own blog La Croqueta.


 
Ah yeh sound compare us to a freak seasonal incident with a team full of players pulling together with a few stand out performers and a pragmatic manager.

Be realistic you chode Leicester isn't happening again for an age.

I didn't say we were going to do a Leicester.

You're a goon if you think finishing in the top 10 is acceptable or should be an "aim".

Teams like Southampton and West Ham will be aiming for higher than that.
 
It's interesting to see people are a bit underwhelmed at Koeman and de Boer et al, which goes to show how expectations have changed.

If you're looking for a magic wand appointment you won't find one, they've all been taken. Mourinho, Guardiola, Conte, even Klopp (honeymoon over) will all be expected to guarantee success this season, which is by definition, impossible because they can't all win it. So therefore, there is no easy fix.

Looks likely that Wenger will continue at Arsenal. But if Wenger did leave, the favorites for the job are as follows 1. Koeman, 2. de Boer, 3. Low, 4. Mancini. Looking down the list, it's hard to think of a standout, realistic candidate for them.

Just for some perspective.

No perspective in this thread mate please. We want to fume.
 

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