Next manager discussion (poll reset 21/05/2016)

[Duncan Disorderley]

even if you were joking, it is how many of peoples minds on here work.

Of course it is, I only want what is the best for Everton Football Club. If someone doesn't want to join us or wants to leave then they are crap!!

Oh and FdB for me as he is miles better than The "crap" One

 

[Jags..class]

If pellegrini gone to Zent and Koeman is staying at Southampton then it's not looking good

 

[Caolam]

I've voted Pellegrini each time and each time I vote I think he is not the young dynamic manager we need to carry us into the new era of success. But then I look at the realistic options available and I only see us taking a punt along the lines of the Martinez choice 3 years ago.
Koeman appears to have ruled himself out, though I am not so sure he wouldn't come to Goodison given the right set of circumstances. He may feel now that he is approaching his mid fifties he deserves a shot at an established club. If he would come to Everton I would take him.
De Boer seems to have stagnated in his development as a manager, this could be because he has achieved all that he can at Ajax, but his lack of European success would probably go against that thinking.
We have been linked with a couple of other European managers but Everton would be a hard sell after the last two seasons.
I keep coming back to Pellegrini as a "safe pair of hands", a manager who has had success at varying levels, a man with a track record at clubs like Everton, a big enough name to keep players and attract others. He could lift us into top 5/6, stabilise us and make us a very attractive option for an established top manager in two years time.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

I think Koeman is doing at Southampton what Moyes was doing at Everton all those years ago. Fair play to him.

Fans have a tendency to look at just the last year or two in isolation - wider picture for Koeman;

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I look at all those teams, he has been quickly moved on in succession and wonder...

I get all that Danny. But maybe, and I'm not saying I'm correct here, we can offer him that challenge that establishes his managerial career/legacy he'll stay committed. With all due respect to his former employers, this would be his biggest challenge. A career defining moment.

 

[brieverton]

That poll list is looking very thin right now and my guess is koeman is not coming.

I think Moshiri has to get in the game (public communications wise) and make a statement about the future of this club to improve the quality of that list.

I agree that the communications strategy under Moshiri has been almost non-existent.

I would have thought it easy enough for him to appoint someone in that area to get his message out. Esk did say he was a novice media-wise and allowing himself to pose for pictures with fans holding "Mourinho in" shouts looks very naive for someone of his supposed nous.

The issue for weeks has been that a final shortlist of Koeman and De Boer simply does not tally with the brand new dawn we have been led to believe is now on the horizon.

I have some sympathy to the extent a Mourinho was never a real possibility.

What most exercises my thoughts now is a potential approach for Emery. He would represent the closest to a big ambition / statement appointment we could get IMO.

 

[Hangleton]

In a choice between two equally-talented managers where one is younger and the other older, the choice will always be for the younger one. Because everyone wants a 20-year, trophy-laden dynasty at their club.

But even beyond that, younger people are better at trying and learning new things. That's a neurological fact.

Of course, older people have the benefit of wisdom and experience, and that certainly has its place in the game. But I think we're all crying out for tactical flexibility after the previous regime.

You're more likely to get that from a younger manager. You're also more likely to get a sense of drive, a desire to prove themselves.

I'd rather a younger manager who's keen to learn, who still has ambition, than a Pelligrini for whom the only draw of Everton is that he won't have to move.

Yeah - that Ranieri wouldn't have a chance would he? He's so old and inflexible, neurologically - he wouldn't be able to adapt to the resources he was given and make a fist of keeping them up.

 

[Neiler]

I get all that Danny. But maybe, and I'm not saying I'm correct here, we can offer him that challenge that establishes his managerial career/legacy he'll stay committed. With all due respect to his former employers, this would be his biggest challenge. A career defining moment.

Koeman would be my choice of the current runners mate. But would love to here your opinion on him, knowing you will know more about him then most?

 

[Darth Vader]

They employ a man whose main job is player recruitment.

Doesn't mean the manager doesn't have the final say

 

[BoysInBlue]

I see 2 people who voted for Moyes have changed their mind!lol

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I get all that Danny. But maybe, and I'm not saying I'm correct here, we can offer him that challenge that establishes his managerial career/legacy he'll stay committed. With all due respect to his former employers, this would be his biggest challenge. A career defining moment.

Maybe.

I think history is a decent indicator of the future and his history indicates that even if he comes to Everton, he wouldn't be here for very long.

I'm not against him - I'm just not excited at the prospect. Same feeling as I had to the considerable calls for Laudrup after Moyes left.

Nobody knows for certain, nobody is 'correct' - all opinions.

 

[Thomasc]

I think Koeman is doing at Southampton what Moyes was doing at Everton all those years ago. Fair play to him.

Fans have a tendency to look at just the last year or two in isolation - wider picture for Koeman;

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I look at all those teams, he has been quickly moved on in succession and wonder...

Yep! doesn't make great reading. Feyenoord the longest stint, the lesser of the Dutch big 3 historically.

That said though, Ranieri was sacked by Greece is the common argument you will get to counter that.

 

[AaronTheBlue]

koeman has not been 'impressive' at any other club bar southampton.

he is a good fit for southampton, and it works for them.

Honestly don't think it'll work for us.

If he comes cool, i'll give him my full support. I think if we looked there would be better options out there.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Yep! doesn't make great reading. Feyenoord the longest stint, the lesser of the Dutch big 3 historically.

That said though, Ranieri was sacked by Greece is the common argument you will get to counter that.

Their board looked at the bigger picture - what he achieved before Greece - not just his last year.

That is exactly what Im encouraging here.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

Koeman would be my choice of the current runners mate. But would love to here your opinion on him, knowing you will know more about him then most?

I'm fully aware that Koeman didn't have the best start to his managerial career, but for me it's all about how he developed since and learned from his mistakes. Truly believe it's very much underrated what he achieved at Feyenoord, seeing where the club came from and where they were heading. Did a superb job at Soton while every top player was sold underneath him. I know he's very much a youth development coach and that's something that's a very big issue with me. It would be criminal to neglect our academy. Especially at this time.

 

[Thomasc]

All we know is for sure', Everton need a new manager, as do Valencia, Zenit and the managers only seemingly available to fill those are a pool of FDB (who wants to manage in the prem), Pelligrini, Favre and AVB. Wouldn't turn my nose up at any of them.