Next manager discussion (poll reset 21/05/2016)

[Mickey]

Is Jose's "short termism" type approach really the answer?

Is his demise at Chelski this time around not a big enough blot on his CV to raise concern?

Don't know why but Jose has a shelf life at every club he's been at, about 3 years. Maybe it's his attention to detail gets too much or his training methods but the players seem to down tools around this time. He'd just won the title with Chelsea when the players saw their chance, with the Eva thing, to get rid and so they did.

 

[Mickey]

It won't be Matin O'Neill.

 

[OneTrueLegend]

Is Jose's "short termism" type approach really the answer?

Is his demise at Chelski this time around not a big enough blot on his CV to raise concern?

I think, as it has been 21 years without a trophy, I would happily take some "short term success". I know he often goes in and has a three year cycle, but imagine;

First season - 4th place - maybe a cup win
Second season - League title - maybe another cup win
Third season - 5th place finish, knocked out in the semi of every cup, Jose leaves in a huff.......

.......it would be awesome!

 

[ultra]

What kind of protesting do you have in mind, mate?

Same as what we did at the last game, presumably

 

[westyuk1]

Don't know why but Jose has a shelf life at every club he's been at, about 3 years. Maybe it's his attention to detail gets too much or his training methods but the players seem to down tools around this time. He'd just won the title with Chelsea when the players saw their chance, with the Eva thing, to get rid and so they did.

He seems incapable of self-criticism, blaming everyone else and creating a toxic atmosphere when losing. The exact opposite of what the players need when things aren't going well.

 

[OneTrueLegend]

i wonder if their agents have been putting down bets to get their odds down and so get them in the papers?! wheres my tin-foil hat..

The odds on managers being replaced are notoriously unreliable as an indicator of who will become the manager in the end, particularly when there are so many "in the race".

two weeks ago Moyes was the bookies favourite, last week it was Joachim Low, today it is Martin O'neil, tomorrow it may well be someone else

 

[Eggs]

The odds on managers being replaced are notoriously unreliable as an indicator of who will become the manager in the end, particularly when there are so many "in the race".

two weeks ago Moyes was the bookies favourite, last week it was Joachim Low, today it is Martin O'neil, tomorrow it may well be someone else

.....O'Neil is now odds on favourite with Paddy Power.

 

[brieverton]

The enormity of the decision is beginning to hit home. I'm nervous to a degree about all the names touted, for varying reasons. David France was correct when he referred to this being our final opportunity to make ourselves relevant again. I really, really hope that the board are being as meticulous and ambitious as possible and will leave no stone unturned in securing (in their assessment) the best possible candidate available to manage us. I am quite confident that that is the case.

Whoever is appointed has to be allowed time to assess the squad, put their mark on things, and sign players that fit our needs. I imagine I'll find reasons to doubt whoever gets the job ultimately, but whoever it is will need all of us behind them. Let's make GP a fortress again and start the season with optimism and vigour.

 

[royalblue66]

The enormity of the decision is beginning to hit home. I'm nervous to a degree about all the names touted, for varying reasons. David France was correct when he referred to this being our final opportunity to make ourselves relevant again. I really, really hope that the board are being as meticulous and ambitious as possible and will leave no stone unturned in securing (in their assessment) the best possible candidate available to manage us. I am quite confident that that is the case.

Whoever is appointed has to be allowed time to assess the squad, put their mark on things, and sign players that fit our needs. I imagine I'll find reasons to doubt whoever gets the job ultimately, but whoever it is will need all of us behind them. Let's make GP a fortress again and start the season with optimism and vigour.

But what about Davek.

 

[bluestevon]

i'd like to know who has bet on him to push his odds down!

Betting slip reciept says Mr. M O'Neill mate

 

[bluestevon]

i wonder if their agents have been putting down bets to get their odds down and so get them in the papers?! wheres my tin-foil hat..

lol not actually a bad shout, let's face it a few hundred quid laid on any outsider and it would crash the odds on them instantly, gets your bloke in the papers etc, cheap investment really

 

[eternal_defiance]

http://outsideoftheboot.com/2015/07/05/tactical-philosophy-frank-de-boer/

good link ^ with pictures and stuff.

De Boer is true to Ajax’s 4-3-3 with a balance of the tactical ideals of Cruyff and van Gaal. He incorporates van Gaal’s sense of detail in defensive organization and pressing, and Cruyff’s favoured ball circulation and positional interchange in build-up play. He also tends to rely on the intelligence of players to do what the game demands of them and as such his tactics form a framework more than a static system of play.

Off the ball, de Boer’s Ajax tend to defend deep, setting up a compact midfield block with five midfielders behind the ball (4-5-1).

A 2-1 win against Barcelona was vital to send Ajax to the Europa League after being knocked out of the Champions League in the 2013/14 season. On the night, they pressed and harried the Barcelona players off the ball, despite playing most of the second half with ten men. Goals from Thulani Serero and Danny Hoesen gave them a result that would have surely made Johan Cruyff smile.

A year before, de Boer’s Ajax played a key role in knocking Manchester City out of the Champions League and taking a Europa League spot for themselves. Beating a Manchester City team laden with riches with a young team of academy products was no mean feat by the Dutch side.

THREE KEY PLAYERS DEVELOPED

Frank de Boer led Ajax’s youth academy in 2007, with Christian Eriksen (Tottenham Hotspur), Toby Alderweireld (Southampton on loan from Atletico Madrid), and Daley Blind (Manchester United) being some of the major beneficiaries of his tutelage then in the academy, and soon after in the first team when he took over the managerial role in 2010.

During his stint in the youth academy, de Boer spoke highly of Eriksen, “He’s always on the move. Quick thinking. He has eyes in his back. When you think he doesn’t see you, he sees you.” He believes that Daley Blind is best suited as a central midfielder for Manchester United although he began plying his trade as a full back. Belgian defender Toby Alderweireld formed a partnership with Jan Vertonghen that provided a basis for Ajax’s 2010-11 and 2011-12 title successes, but were replaced ably as de Boer’s Ajax extended their run to four consecutive Eredivisie titles.

 

[Raino85]

He seems incapable of self-criticism, blaming everyone else and creating a toxic atmosphere when losing. The exact opposite of what the players need when things aren't going well.

Now who do we know with them features?

 

[RFUS]

O'Neill is Moyes without the frugality.

Absolutely no chance. Stop worrying you berks.

 

[eternal_defiance]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22429302

Another piece about De Boer. The more I read and think about it, the more inclined I am to see a potential move for De Boer as a massive coup and the right move to be making. If he would want to manage us long-term, it could be a brilliant period in our history!

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In De Boer's first campaign, Ajax won 11 of their final 13 games to leapfrog Twente on the final day. Last season, they finished on a run of 14 consecutive wins to clinch the title, having been as low as sixth in February. This time, they have 12 wins and two draws from their last 14 league games.

Like Pep Guardiola - who he played with for two years at Barca - De Boer is a long-termist. De Boer understands the importance of a collective philosophy throughout the club. It is something he has helped instil himself, having coached various youth age groups at the club since 2007.

Moreover, he is in it for the long haul. In May last year, he rejected the chance to enter talks for the then-vacant managerial position at Liverpool.

"I'm honoured by the request," De Boer said at the time. "But I've only just started with Ajax. Even if Barcelona were to approach me tomorrow, I wouldn't go. I'm not finished here."