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NFL Thread 2018

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steveojcc said:
Finding a RB later on is proof that the use of stats and the combine simply is flawed. How many players are there in the NFL who were even missed in the draft and were free agents.

To me its because there are so many colleges to pick players from scouts tend to get lazy and look at the guaranteed teams in the likes of the SEC and other teams who churn out quality.

As a Rams fan when they drafted Cooper Kupp i said who? And i watch a lot of college ball. When i watched and interview with McVay and our GM when they explained what they saw it made sense. They saw him in college he was on their list and when they noticed other teams were not that interested they snapped him up.
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Agree .
 
FC sexy xxx said:
Ferguson rebuilt at least 4 title winning teams after 23 years of winning none . SAF is a legitimate all time legend . Utd were below Everton in trophies when he took over ffs . Then you’ve got his Aberdeen stint . Belichick is 2nd to that
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The last time someone in Scotland other than Celtic or Rangers won the league was Ferguson. The man was simply an incredible manager. Belichick is right there in terms of greatest Coach/Manager. I think he secretly was hoping to trade Brady and have Garoppolo take over so he could prove it was him and not Brady but Kraft stopped him.
 
steveojcc said:
Finding a RB later on is proof that the use of stats and the combine simply is flawed. How many players are there in the NFL who were even missed in the draft and were free agents.

To me its because there are so many colleges to pick players from scouts tend to get lazy and look at the guaranteed teams in the likes of the SEC and other teams who churn out quality.

As a Rams fan when they drafted Cooper Kupp i said who? And i watch a lot of college ball. When i watched and interview with McVay and our GM when they explained what they saw it made sense. They saw him in college he was on their list and when they noticed other teams were not that interested they snapped him up.
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Scouting in all sports in imperfect. If I had the answer to how to figure out what translates from college to the NFL I'd be a very rich man but it is just so hard to do.
 

TheBigIguana said:
Scouting in all sports in imperfect. If I had the answer to how to figure out what translates from college to the NFL I'd be a very rich man but it is just so hard to do.
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It sure is but i would imagine its a lot tougher in say Soccer.

Baseball scouts have a really tough job too and thats another sport that over relies on stats..

Take RB - Sonny Michel, Nick Chubb and Todd Gurley all played at Georgia together. They were obviously older and younger. All three of them are in the NFL and so far two of them look worth it.

Georgia are known for producing RB but most of them don't succeed in the NFL yet teams keep taking them.

Sure scouting is imperfect but there are football scouts who have made a lot of money and a name for themselves for find those gems. Aaron Donald at one time wasn't even consider better than a 3 star player coming out of high school and in college not many teams gave him a look.

Some scouts saw differently though.

@ilikecheese should know good scouts being a Seahawks fan, as Carroll and his guys are one of the best finding gems. Look at the legion of boom. Not all of them were high prospects or highly sought after.

The fact Carroll finds solid young OL men and turns them into stars is why they keep churning out decent seasons
 
steveojcc said:
It sure is but i would imagine its a lot tougher in say Soccer.

Baseball scouts have a really tough job too and thats another sport that over relies on stats..

Take RB - Sonny Michel, Nick Chubb and Todd Gurley all played at Georgia together. They were obviously older and younger. All three of them are in the NFL and so far two of them look worth it.

Georgia are known for producing RB but most of them don't succeed in the NFL yet teams keep taking them.

Sure scouting is imperfect but there are football scouts who have made a lot of money and a name for themselves for find those gems. Aaron Donald at one time wasn't even consider better than a 3 star player coming out of high school and in college not many teams gave him a look.

Some scouts saw differently though.

@ilikecheese should know good scouts being a Seahawks fan, as Carroll and his guys are one of the best finding gems. Look at the legion of boom. Not all of them were high prospects or highly sought after.

The fact Carroll finds solid young OL men and turns them into stars is why they keep churning out decent seasons
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Well by the end of it Donald was a first round pick. But that's not to say what you're saying isn't valid. Antonio Brown despite being a tithead is a good example as he played at Central Michigan and went in the 6th round. In fact Pittsburgh weirdly has the WR position down as they drafted Wallace, Sanders, Brown, Smith Schuster and a few others I think. It's just hard for teams for whatever reason to consistently pull it off. I guess in reality it's in part what makes it fun.
 
TheBigIguana said:
Well by the end of it Donald was a first round pick. But that's not to say what you're saying isn't valid. Antonio Brown despite being a tithead is a good example as he played at Central Michigan and went in the 6th round. In fact Pittsburgh weirdly has the WR position down as they drafted Wallace, Sanders, Brown, Smith Schuster and a few others I think. It's just hard for teams for whatever reason to consistently pull it off. I guess in reality it's in part what makes it fun.
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He sure was but many thought he would drop to the 2nd or 3rd. Many said if the Rams didn't draft him would others. Of course they would all say now yes hahaha!!!

He was heavily debated simply because his awesome stats in college came at Pitt and not a big football college.

Also i agree with everything else you say. Good points
 
The bird on sky reading out the tweets is deffo going to be getting goosed by at least one of the panel tonight.
Proper chemistry in the air. NEA.
 

steveojcc said:
Football is all about positions though. Most of my post to you was sarcasm but in the case of the Wilson example he is what makes a difference. Let me explain.

QB's and RB are both useless without OL. FACT

WR are useless if the QB is not accurate and so on.....

Some QB's know how to stay ahead when their OL is crap. One of the best QB's to do that is Wilson.

There is in the history of football i bet vey few RB who could succeed with no OL.

The likes of Aaron Donald has even changed what coaches and GM's look for in DL men out of college. The guy is undersized but so fast and powerful and not like what they used to be.

Football is pretty much all schemes, tactics and taking advantage of stats.

Is there skill in the game sure there is and plenty of it.

To write of every player on the top of their respective stat chart because some nerd has data is quite frankly disingenuous and a bit mad.

I see you point i get your point but that guy with his data needs to relax and take football for what it is. He just sounds bitter. Does he have any stats on the Seahawks? How they would be terrible with a QB that wasn't Wilson?
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I'm not sure if he's bitter (although he did hate drafting Rashaad Penny in the 1st round), rather I think he has long suspected that running backs are a dime a dozen and has taken the time to research his gut feeling.

With regards to his views on Seattle, he firmly stands by his running backs don't matter opinion. He strongly believes QB's are the most important players on the field...which I do agree with.

Hard to argue against his argument with the current crop of running backs in Seattle. Carson (7th rounder), Davis (4th rounder), and Penny were all basically the same guy results wise. Carson was the best of the bunch in terms of some of the key advanced metrics (yards after contact, EPA, etc), but it wasn't by much.

His argument would be that Seattle was successful running the ball this season due to the offensive scheme and the line blocking better. Last season the offensive line simply was awful and the running game was non-existent. It was an effort in futility. His argument last season was that running backs don't matter (hence why he was pissed that we drafted Penny).

There was a long running myth in the national media that Seattle never replaced Marshawn Lynch (1st rounder). One could argue that we replaced Lynch with Thomas Rawls (undrafted FA), and it was Rawls who Seattle didn't replace. I mean Rawls looked every bit as good as Lynch in the season he became the starter until he snapped his ankle.

I don't totally agree with him, but I do think there is a compelling argument to be made.
 
ilikecheese said:
I'm not sure if he's bitter (although he did hate drafting Rashaad Penny in the 1st round), rather I think he has long suspected that running backs are a dime a dozen and has taken the time to research his gut feeling.

With regards to his views on Seattle, he firmly stands by his running backs don't matter opinion. He strongly believes QB's are the most important players on the field...which I do agree with.

Hard to argue against his argument with the current crop of running backs in Seattle. Carson (7th rounder), Davis (4th rounder), and Penny were all basically the same guy results wise. Carson was the best of the bunch in terms of some of the key advanced metrics (yards after contact, EPA, etc), but it wasn't by much.

His argument would be that Seattle was successful running the ball this season due to the offensive scheme and the line blocking better. Last season the offensive line simply was awful and the running game was non-existent. It was an effort in futility. His argument last season was that running backs don't matter (hence why he was pissed that we drafted Penny).

There was a long running myth in the national media that Seattle never replaced Marshawn Lynch (1st rounder). One could argue that we replaced Lynch with Thomas Rawls (undrafted FA), and it was Rawls who Seattle didn't replace. I mean Rawls looked every bit as good as Lynch in the season he became the starter until he snapped his ankle.

I don't totally agree with him, but I do think there is a compelling argument to be made.
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Sorry the bitter part was sarcasm. I hear you the guy may have a point sure football is a mad game like that and i am sure there is truth to his analysis but i think it maybe obvious type stuff also in part.

But you know i am a Ram and cannot agree with the opinion of a seahawk fan hahahahahahah!!!!! (kidding of course).

There is a guy in Vegas who wins millions on fantasy football because he has spreadsheet after spreadsheet of data wonder if its the same guy. He literally does it for his living. So i agree that it is possible using data and analysis to find holes in football
 

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