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Nick Clegg V Nigel Farage.

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Tubey said:
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There's nothing rational about a phobia. If you are weighted towards Islam even if the same concept without the word sharia wouldn't bother you as much, then that's irrational, as you are somehow believing that a Sharia-compliant student loan system will somehow lead to ritualistic female genital mutilation being widespread in the UK.
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Christ.
 
EFCNIK said:
Because sharia law is not just about student loans and borrowing money. And sharia law is not a 'harmless part of their culture'. Jeez.
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And there's not one scrap of Sharia Law that has any jurisdiction in the United Kingdom whatsoever and there's absolutely no chance of it happening.

A Sharia-compliant student loan system isn't "Sharia Law" - it's simply acknowledging there's a segment of society that have certain cultural values towards money lending. Something that has been the case for a long, long time for a few religions. It's just a common sense measure and you're massively over-reacting, and the reason I'm highlighting this particular over-reaction is to try and highlight to you just how irrational you are on the issue of Islam. You're not thick, so approach the subject with a clear mind, look at the pro's and con's of the debate and come to a proper judgement as a bright person would do with any subject and get over your phobia.
 
Tubey said:
Nik, seriously, just look at the state of the website you've just linked to. That's all I have to say.
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Doesn't really Matter. They are the facts of sharia and they are what happens in countries where sharia is practiced. I'm not saying there will suddenly be be headings in that street (well official ones anyway) but we should no way be allowing any aspect of it over here if anything in defiance against the true and whole nature of a law system so fundamentally against a free way of life.
 

I think there seems to be confusion about what sharia law is. It can't be interpreted. It is a very definite set of laws.

Advocating the introduction of any aspect of sharia and you might as well go and sit next to andjem choudhary. We as a nation have the arrogance, ignorance and hypocrisy to try and pick and choose what we find acceptable and let it to get a foot hold here. It's not even Muslims I blame, as many will be horrified at the growing presence of sharia law in this country ( well maybe not horrified at the no interest part but in general). It's people that claim To be progressive and liberal and then advocate a far right wing political weapon guilty of all the 'isms' under the sun to get a platform over here. All in the name of supposed religious tolerance. Ha. If only Islam (not your individual Muslim disclaimer) had any respect for that!
 

Tubey said:
Nik, seriously, just look at the state of the website you've just linked to. That's all I have to say.
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I used to comment on faithfreedom.org back in 2007 or so, it's a forum site for Muslim apostates. We had some quite respectable discussions, but the anti-Muslim argument was too easy (it being a site for apostates). The forum gradually pushed out the believers with ridicule and strawman arguments, and thus pushed out the hard debate I used to enjoy on there. The traffic nowadays is almost dead levels.

Since then I haven't found a site which houses believers and non-believers locked in serious respectful debate. If anyone knows of one do link, please.
 
EFCNIK said:
Not even gonna point out the obvious idiocy with his statement.


Oh and guess what lads. 'Sharia student loans' have just been introduced! Now Muslims can get interest free student loans in accordance with their religion! Yay!

But sharia couldn't possibly be having a bigger and bigger influence over here no. To assume so would be islamophobic.
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To challenge on economics is your only hope as sharia monetary systems create an unlevel playing field. The only time laws or statutes will interfere with any religious diktat is when it hurts others economically.
If you could point out the abhorrence attached to Judaism and Christianity on an equal footing with Islam, or at least acknowledge it's existence, you would be able to see the negative influence on society in this country.
The true religion of these islands is paganism, until Christianity did what you now accuse Islam of doing...but the we get into the 'what have the Romans done for us' scenario, and historically, if you ask the same of Islam, many would be surprised, especially on the background of sciences
 
We just won't agree so there's no point. If you think Christianity and Judaism etc are as big a threat as Islam and sharia then fair enough. But I would urge you to look at the rules of the Quran and certainly the difference when it comes reformation. Then you can make an informed decision on Islamic laws being passed here.
 
EFCNIK said:
We just won't agree so there's no point. If you think Christianity and Judaism etc are as big a threat as Islam and sharia then fair enough. But I would urge you to look at the rules of the Quran and certainly the difference when it comes reformation. Then you can make an informed decision on Islamic laws being passed here.
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It would appear that you have chosen to view verses in the Quran as literal, they are archaic certainly, but so too are the sources from which they are derived. In the west, huge tracts of the literal texts of the bible, OT & NT, are ignored by the majority of those who follow the 'word of God/G-d', because they are barbaric, immoral or outdated, similar applies to Islam.
In all cases it is the minority who practice the literal application that become standard bearers for their creed, those who would destroy their competitors for not having the same interpretation of the laws, again, in all three instances there are those in power who either use this intolerance to gain power or remain in power, from the influence of the knesset over the Whitehouse, or the southern states christian fundamentalists over the funding of US election campaigns, the 'laws' of this country are Christian' based, handed down over centuries, now outdated, all done to retain power in the same hands.
This is a system used from the dawn of society by priest class, king lists etc, and it promotes a state of ignorance by identifying the differences between peoples instead of commonalities and creating scapegoats and fearmongering.
For every intolerance you can highlight there are an equal, amount if not more, tolerances to be spoken of.
Similarly, for every EFCNik there is a mad mullah preaching about the evils of the west, ergo, it is you and your Muslim ilk that perpetuate the ills and fears that you speak of,
That you can't see, or refuse to see, the influence that all Abrahamic faiths have had on your view forming is quite myopic given your search for the devil in Islam, they each are the same, and until peoples reclaim any morality back from organised, self serving religion that pits them against each other, then there will always be aggressive and angry generalisations about people who just want to live their lives, look after their families and enjoy what is left of the planet.
We won't agree, I am aware of that, but as you have the right to promote fear and intolerance, I have the right to promote peace and freedom from persecuting finger pointers.
 

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