Parallel Everton 1: What if we'd have appointed Arteta?

[Khalekan]

We would have been relegated.

Arsenal could afford to weather the early days of his tenure.

We could not have.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Cast your mind back a few seasons and post Marco Silva we were rumoured to be in for Arteta (albeit how crediblethe rumours were is another matter). Instead we appointed Carlo Ancelotti.

Arteta had his struggles at Arsenal initially and Ancelotti had us dreaming of Europe for roughly 2/3 of his one and only season.

At time we possibly felt we'd got the better deal and the Guardian published a nice piece looking at the respective gambles both clubs took.

Fair to say Arsenal won the war, so to speak, with their gamble paying off. But in a parallel universe where we appointed Arteta I wonder if he'd have turned us around.

Would his tactical acumen and man management have won through? Would he have been hobbled by our board? Just two of many questions.

Curious to know others views. Thoughts?

Still think Ancelotti was the better choice for us.
Legohead has proven me wrong in my opinion of his managerial prowess, good luck to him.
But he would have struggled at Everton as would any manager coming to this clown show of a club.
Poor administration, no vision, serial fiscal failure and by far the worst Everton team I’ve witnessed in over half a century. I think any manager would struggle to achieve anything here , least of all one with no previous managerial experience to draw on.
Ancelotti had the experience and options to escape as soon as he could, Legohead would have ended up being sacked and sustained a blow to his putative career before it properly got going.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Interesting replies so far. Common theme of probable trouble in no small part due to our board.

Our board is indeed terrible, but it isn't all on them, right?

Lampard and Benitez have been found wanting in their own right, for very different reasons.

We'll never know, but I think he may have made a decent fist of things.

 

[Cels]

For all the talk of how Arteta struggled at Arsenal at the start, he did win the FA Cup in his first season beating City in the semi-final and Chelsea in the final (iirc) and then went on to win against Liverpool in the Community Shield the following season. I wish we could struggle like that.

 

[longers]

I don't think he ever wanted to manage us tbh, he doesn't seem that attached to the club, always seemed to have a bigger connection with Arsenal for whatever reason.

 

[Cels]

Good thread guys. Might there is instances where knowledgable posters on his here dismissed Arteta as manager for Everton? Surely not.

At the time I wasn't keen on Arteta, or Ancelotti, to be honest. I felt Arteta was too young and inexperienced to take a gamble on, and I felt that Ancelotti, although he had won loads of trophies, wouldn't have what it takes to turn the fortunes around of a club that had the problems Everton had/have. Ah, just saw that you wrote "knowledgeable posters"... ok, that counts me out

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[4737carlin]

Interesting replies so far. Common theme of probable trouble in no small part due to our board.

Our board is indeed terrible, but it isn't all on them, right?

Lampard and Benitez have been found wanting in their own right, for very different reasons.

We'll never know, but I think he may have made a decent fist of things.

Benitez was found wanting because the owner didn't back him, something that also didn't help Frank

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Benitez was found wanting because the owner didn't back him, something that also didn't help Frank

And he was God awful

 

[4737carlin]

At the time I wasn't keen on Arteta, or Ancelotti, to be honest. I felt Arteta was too young and inexperienced to take a gamble on, and I felt that Ancelotti, although he had won loads of trophies, wouldn't have what it takes to turn the fortunes around of a club that had the problems Everton had/have. Ah, just saw that you wrote "knowledgeable posters"... ok, that counts me out

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Carlo was a bad fit, as you say the job here wasn't something he had on his CV, fine tuning a top 2 side is one thing, dealing with our mess is another skill altogether.
Sam Allardyce was perfect for that but we stupidly sacked him.

 

[COYBL25]

And he was God awful

And he is a horrible fat piggy.

 

[Joey66]

At the time I wasn't keen on Arteta, or Ancelotti, to be honest. I felt Arteta was too young and inexperienced to take a gamble on, and I felt that Ancelotti, although he had won loads of trophies, wouldn't have what it takes to turn the fortunes around of a club that had the problems Everton had/have. Ah, just saw that you wrote "knowledgeable posters"... ok, that counts me out

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Nevermind that where's his fee from Arsenal BK lol

 

[Connor]

He would have gotten chased by the Park End

Look at the money he's spent. He's not doing a 'great' job, he's doing exactly what should be expected given his outlay on players

 

[Rob17896]

Cast your mind back a few seasons and post Marco Silva we were rumoured to be in for Arteta (albeit how crediblethe rumours were is another matter). Instead we appointed Carlo Ancelotti.

Arteta had his struggles at Arsenal initially and Ancelotti had us dreaming of Europe for roughly 2/3 of his one and only season.

At time we possibly felt we'd got the better deal and the Guardian published a nice piece looking at the respective gambles both clubs took.

Fair to say Arsenal won the war, so to speak, with their gamble paying off. But in a parallel universe where we appointed Arteta I wonder if he'd have turned us around.

Would his tactical acumen and man management have won through? Would he have been hobbled by our board? Just two of many questions.

Curious to know others views. Thoughts?

He would have had a dysfunctional squad, Everyone on the board buying and selling players, no real money and a scapegoat for the mess that is Everton.
If we were a PLC the shareholders would have demanded their resignations.
Our accounts are probably in as good nick as a crypto fraud.

 

[richardo675]

Always thought arteta the player wanted to leave everton yrs before he actually left always rumours every year after the injury felt obliged to pay everton back as looked after him during the injury period.

 

[Davideeyore]

If only Everton hadn't been banned from Europe in 85 due to some slutty club. That's the only parallel that I think of.