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Permission to still like Dyche?

It's going to take more than a late collapse after bossing the game to make me knee-jerk into hating on him.

Everton will be sound this season. Vault it.
I don't doubt you're right, but we've lost the first three solely down to him

Needs to improve and fast
 
I don't doubt you're right, but we've lost the first three solely down to him

Needs to improve and fast
I'm by no means uncritical of Dyche, but let's face facts; he took over a side heading for relegation ; Anthony Gordon was sold just before he arrived and we recruited nobody; we had a net spend of minus £40M last summer, and a similar minus sum this summer.

We've bought 7 players for about £40m, some haven't played yet and they'll obviously will take time to settle in, but a couple have already improved the team. Also, our best defender has missed the start of the season with injury.

On top of all that, the ownership of the club is in serious doubt; the owner wants to sell, and is the personification of someone who doesn't know what he's doing in football terms. Dyche has also had to contend with two points deductions which cannot in any way be blamed on him.

He has made mistakes, none more than last Saturday, but is that really a reason to sack him, even if we could afford it, which we can't, and if there was someone with the authority to sack him, which there isn't.
 
Loved what he did keeping the club up given what he inherited from Lampard and the club selling Gordon last minute without replacing him on his first day in the job.

Last season was a hard slog at times but there were plenty of excellent performances in the winter and he handled the fallout from the points deductions superbly in the media and clearly behind closed doors.

This season feels different though. More injuries and some of his limitations as a manager are coming to the fore. I'm not sure now he'll be even here in a month, that's the fall out from the Bournemouth collapse.

He certainly won't be leading the club into the new ground so don't think people should worry too much about that.
 
I could get on board if the game was dire from start to finish, but everyone here has to be honest with themselves that for 85 minutes that was as good we've seen at Goodison for beards.

Again, we will be fine.

I will pass judgement after the villa game. If we play like we did at Spurs and get thrashed or do well and capitulate late on again through bad game management then I will be questioning the manager. But if we build on what was a good 85 minutes and do that for 90 against Villa then I will believe he has enough about him to keep us up.

He's had one too many thrashings in these away games to stronger opposition for my liking. The best performance was Arsenal away last game last season, I want to see something like that again regardless of the result.
 

Football is and always will be a results-driven industry, Sean is not there to be loved and adored by the fanbase or even the players, he is there to do a job, which in his specific case might be to win just enough to keep us afloat, I don't honestly know. However, it isn't three straight defeats that bother me as much as five wins since December, that is, or should be, simply unacceptable.
 
If we hadn't of conceded late on, everyone would have gone home happy as it was a decent show up until then. It's now down to the reaction he gets out of the players as we are going to have to get a surprise result to make up for this debacle, but that's what he has done whilst he has been here.

Can he keep doing it? No idea. But it will get worse before better with Villa coming up, which might be too much for us to get a shock result from.

Reasons to like him include he kept us up with a huge points deduction last season and we actually beat the RS at home after 14 long years.
 

This is brave post. I applaud you for it.

We looked very good for 75 minutes. He takes credit for that.

He failed to address the obvious decline at that point. He takes criticism for that.

Im still not in the sack camp, but he needs to develop some humility, lose some of his stubborness and realise that while he's managed clubs previously who had ambitions of surviving relegation, we might be battling it, the expectations our fans are set higher.

He won't change the fan mindset to accepting survival each year, so he needs to change his mindset to match the ambition of the fans. If he can't, he won't stay much longer.
Yes he has to learn from Saturdays game, we were winning 2-0 could have been more and we looked likely to score more playing on the front foot, his changes put us on the defensive with players looking punchdrunk defending,
This caused the defeat and Dyche has got to put his hands up and admit he got it wrong, if he learns from this and starts using humility in place of arrogance then he has a chance of changing a lot of fans opinions, if not he, the team and us fans will all be the losers. Start screwing your nut Sean!
 
It's going to take more than a late collapse after bossing the game to make me knee-jerk into hating on him.

Everton will be sound this season. Vault it.

If his 33% win rate, 4 months without a win, only won 5 times since December, cant win from behind and cant hold on to a lead reputation doesn't make you dislike him then nothing will.
 

He's the man to lead us to glory. "In Dyche We Trust"

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Yes he has to learn from Saturdays game, we were winning 2-0 could have been more and we looked likely to score more playing on the front foot, his changes put us on the defensive with players looking punchdrunk defending,
This caused the defeat and Dyche has got to put his hands up and admit he got it wrong, if he learns from this and starts using humility in place of arrogance then he has a chance of changing a lot of fans opinions, if not he, the team and us fans will all be the losers. Start screwing your nut Sean!
More troubling for me is his admission that he wanted the players to stop trying to play football entirely and treat the ball like a hand grenade for the last 10 minutes.

We had been cruising, he should've seen the need for fresh legs - everyone else could. He makes those changes at 75 minutes and we win. Instead he doesn't, gives Bournemouth an opening then tells the team to go into panic mode to see the game out.
 

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