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Permission to still like Dyche?
- Thread starter teppic
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When Dyche came in I think its fair to say most Everton fans thought relegation was nailed on. Last season, despite most pundits and Everton fans tipping a season of struggle, even with a points deduction x 2 Everton were relatively comfortable and would have finished mid table comfortably but for the lost points. And after 2 games Everton seemed to have been playing the best they have been playing for 87 minutes. Had they had seen it through then Dyche would have been getting pats on the back not brick bats, such is the fickle nature of football. The Bournemouth game is nothing new and is galling when it happens to your club but should be seen in isolation for what it is - just one of those. I remember Villa 2 up and coasting at home to Wolves. properly coasting - Wolves couldn't lay a glove on us. They get one and then we lose 3-2.
I think perspective is always easier from afar and away from the emotion of being inside it all. But if you'd have lost 3-0 v Bournemouth after being played off the park then there would be every reason to be alarmed. You didn't. so there isn't.
I think perspective is always easier from afar and away from the emotion of being inside it all. But if you'd have lost 3-0 v Bournemouth after being played off the park then there would be every reason to be alarmed. You didn't. so there isn't.
'comfortable'
I don't know about you but I'm an Everton fan for 40 years and barely surviving in the league is not comfortable, and the last few seasons have been far from comfortable. I just see more and more fans being comfortably brainwashed into thinking this is good enough for Everton
Benitez came in and did everything to belittle the club to justify his failings
Lampard came in and acknowledged Everton were far bigger than this but just didn't have the skills
Dyche came in and also belittles the club to lower it to his standard which is rubbish
Besides
new season
current win rate is 0%
The only thing the performance before the collapse tells me is Everton are better when Dyche doesn't get involved in the game management. He deserves no pats on the back for facilitating a collapse and then blaming the players saying stupid things like 'I tell them the game is 96 minutes long'
Pity he doesn't tell himself anything but he acts like he knows it all already
We were 'played off the park' for the last 10 minutes and lost 3-0 in that time. There is cause for alarm.
For a moment there i thought the op was looking for permission to kill Dyche.
Mate every day I hear people say they have ambition and have aspiration of where they want to end up.
Ambition and aspiration are nothing without the method and the application of getting there and that usually involves adversity.
Everyone ls great at the what. Less good on the how and with what resources, risks and timeframe.
I zone out when I hear the end point unless someone can show me step by step how they are going to do it, the risks, resources required and adversity and how they plan to manage that (as there always is adversity in achieving ambition), the and the time frames.
Everyone has ambition - making it tangible by getting there realistically is why a fair chunk of the world never achieve ambition. I never want to hear what can go right I always want to hear what will go wrong and get impressed when someone has a plan for that.
Thumping the chest and saying we should have ambition is pointless.
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windymiller
Player Valuation: £60m
You understand that @Neiler is trolling the forum with all this Dyche love?
And he’s not even trying! 
I totally disagree, that was one of the 6/7 easiest games of our season, we got played off the park by Brighton and spurs, if they’re expected loses, as some seem to think, then losing to Bournemouth is alarming, irrelevant how we played, we lost. Going of the last 19 months, this type if performance was a one off in style and creating chances, this doesn’t happen often. So it’s a bit of a wait and see what the next 2/3 games hold.
Leicester away and palace at home again falls into the games we should be getting wins from. He’s massively under pressure now, going into the next 4 games, before the next international break
We have - but I feel the any new owner his time was limited, any rate - plus in future stick the substations board up his arsp ....
Well I can't give you a step by step plan of how to do it because I am not a Premier League manager.
What I am is a fan that can see that what we are doing is not working therefore a change is warranted
Not reaching ambition is not failure. Deciding to have little ambition because it is easy to achieve is failure.
That is what we are under Dyche. That is what we are when we say he's working miracles for keeping the longest standing club in the Premier League in the Premier League
He has the easiest job in the world if we reward him lowering our standards to match his abilities
We've tolerated a gradual diminishing of our status to the point where a mediocre and dated manager is being praised for the bare minimum requirement of a top tier club. We can blame Kenwright's 'plucky little' nonsense, Moshiri's well meaning but inept ownership, Benitez and then Dyche talking us down but the truth is it is fans tolerating it is what has allowed it to happen. Dyche has learned we accept this relegation fodder narrative and that he is the only available hero, so he talks down about us and his players without taking responsibility
I agree with you about adversity, but adversity has levels too. Setting our targets low means the adversity we encounter isn't used to better effect. By your own analysis adversity is an inherent part of ambition.
'Thumping the chest and saying we should have ambition' is far less pointless than sitting in a corner and being told to accept a mediocre manager's reality, because that gives us what we have now
An unremarkable manager who will see us into BMD as a Premier League team. Once that mandate is fulfilled and (if??) the club has an operating owner and board then an amicable parting of ways will suit me. Is his contract up? He's done little to suggest an extension should be offered.
Needs to work on his interviews, partly of his own making and the same old excuses certainly wear thin but also because it seems like a sizeable number of top bloos are remarkably thin skinned and will construe everything as a direct attack on the fans if they don't like someone.
Needs to work on his interviews, partly of his own making and the same old excuses certainly wear thin but also because it seems like a sizeable number of top bloos are remarkably thin skinned and will construe everything as a direct attack on the fans if they don't like someone.
Cmonefcsortitout!
Player Valuation: £2.5m
For the majority of that game that was the most I’ve enjoyed watching us play for a while. The last few minutes were unbelievably shocking. Dyche very rarely seems to make good substitutions, and that must be the worst ever. To blame the crowd in any way whatsoever is horrible on his part. That was clear stupidity on his part. I was content for him to stay this season, as I think he would keep us up. But his stubbornness and constant blaming of others has become too much now.
Davideeyore
Player Valuation: £30m
We're not a bad team, in that sense. We're just badly managed/coached. Have been for a number of years basically since Moyes left. Carlo was okay (with us but he had his faults) likewise with Silva. The rest I would package with Dyche as 'awful manager'.