Phil Jagielka

[Groucho]

Honestly think that like with Neville against Wigan mate that we have just seen a player come to the end, now becomes if the manager saw the same thing a lot of blues did.

Once that recovery pace goes it never comes back, and it went for all to see against Chelsea. Takes something truly terrible to stand out amongst the rest of that shambles but it was so glaring. The one thing that elevated him and covered for his weaknesses appeared to have utterly gone, hopefully holgate is given the games now as alongside Williams he'd have a fantastic mentor and would give us someone who has pace at the back which we are alarmingly absent off now.

Of course, the whole side had a 'mare though. Unusually including Barry too.

We should'nt be too hasty in writing him off maybe?

 

[davek]

Honestly think that like with Neville against Wigan mate that we have just seen a player come to the end, now becomes if the manager saw the same thing a lot of blues did.

Once that recovery pace goes it never comes back, and it went for all to see against Chelsea. Takes something truly terrible to stand out amongst the rest of that shambles but it was so glaring. The one thing that elevated him and covered for his weaknesses appeared to have utterly gone, hopefully holgate is given the games now as alongside Williams he'd have a fantastic mentor and would give us someone who has pace at the back which we are alarmingly absent off now.

You are completely right.

Of course, that's from a playing pov. He's also the captain, though, and although Koeman dropped him for a game it's a big deal to make the decision to demote him. There's a lot of dressing room politics involved and I'm not sure Koeman would want that tumult this early. He's cultivated the assent of the old guard like Barry, Baines and Jagielka. Personally I think he'll duck it and we'll be stuck with him.

 

[bluestevon]

Of course, the whole side had a 'mare though. Unusually including Barry too.

We should'nt be too hasty in writing him off maybe?

Maybe mate, but as captain and playing cb, when it goes and if he's persisted with it will cost us dearly, same happened with vidic when he hit the wall for United as well.

Barry I believe was shown to 've at a stage now where how good he's been this season has been down to having a player alongside who can more than compensate for all his flaws and allow what he does well to shine, without that cover he was exposed badly, it did make me wonder how good our centre mid would be if we had a player in there who didn't need gana to do all his leg work...

Say a schneiderlin or similar type

 

[Groucho]

Maybe mate, but as captain and playing cb, when it goes and if he's persisted with it will cost us dearly, same happened with vidic when he hit the wall for United as well.

Barry I believe was shown to 've at a stage now where how good he's been this season has been down to having a player alongside who can more than compensate for all his flaws and allow what he does well to shine, without that cover he was exposed badly, it did make me wonder how good our centre mid would be if we had a player in there who didn't need gana to do all his leg work...

Say a schneiderlin or similar type

We've seen Koeman will drop Jags.

If he's not good enough I don't think he'll be selected "just because".

 

[bluestevon]

You are completely right.

Of course, that's from a playing pov. He's also the captain, though, and although Koeman dropped him for a game it's a big deal to make the decision to demote him. There's a lot of dressing room politics involved and I'm not sure Koeman would want that tumult this early. He's cultivated the assent of the old guard like Barry, Baines and Jagielka. Personally I think he'll duck it and we'll be stuck with him.

Defended jags a lot against you mate, but yesterday was reminuscient of Neville, or Cahill when they lost there legs, it doesn't come back at that age.

Hopefully moyes comes after him in January which for me would solve a potential huge problem

 

[bluestevon]

We've seen Koeman will drop Jags.

If he's not good enough I don't think he'll be selected "just because".

Only time will show mate, we will get a lot of answers in the wake of that Chelsea game about the rest of the season I believe and about koemans attitude towards trusting some of the younger players.

 

[Groucho]

Only time will show mate, we will get a lot of answers in the wake of that Chelsea game about the rest of the season I believe and about koemans attitude towards trusting some of the younger players.

Agree aye.

 

[davek]

Defended jags a lot against you mate, but yesterday was reminuscient of Neville, or Cahill when they lost there legs, it doesn't come back at that age.

Hopefully moyes comes after him in January which for me would solve a potential huge problem

He's lost pace, for sure. And I think he's cracked under the pressure of standing next to a real defender like Williams.

Just been called up again though, I hear. I can imagine that getting him a free pass for a while yet.

It's just the sort of tough call that most people thought a manager like Koeman would take. I don't think he will.

 

[bluestevon]

He's lost pace, for sure. And I think he's cracked under the pressure of standing next to a real defender like Williams.

Just been called up again though, I hear. I can imagine that getting him a free pass for a while yet.

It's just the sort of tough call that most people thought a manager like Koeman would take. I don't think he will.

Remember when he first came back after popping his knee the first time mate, and he lost that catchup pace for a good few months and was being exposed, only now it's not something he can recover from, age catches up with everyone, and the rest of his overall game isn't enough at this level to cover for losing his best attribute.

Williams alongside holgate is the way forward till January then reassess.

 

[lungo]

He has a gut on him now! He's unfit. Shocking

Hes fat for 2 or 3 seasons now. He has Beattie tits. Nothing new.

 

[Deco]

He's been very error prone for a couple of seasons now - Holgate or even Funes Mori deserves a chance.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Cannot believe he's in the England squad

 

[Simon baker]

Remember when he first came back after popping his knee the first time mate, and he lost that catchup pace for a good few months and was being exposed, only now it's not something he can recover from, age catches up with everyone, and the rest of his overall game isn't enough at this level to cover for losing his best attribute.

Williams alongside holgate is the way forward till January then reassess.

It's sad that it has come to this he has stayed too long as a first team player & looks finished.

Happens too many times at The club as we haven't invested in replacements & give ageing players contracts instead of buying replacements.

 

[chrismpw]

I love Jags, im sure we all do, and he knows it, but the reality is he has gone and we cant afford to have too much sentiment. So many good memories, lets live with them

That goal vs the red lot though.

 

[evertony]

The national team is suffering from a lack of bone-fide top class centre halves. It's why Jags has been called up again. Quite alarming that someone with his level of distribution can get into the national side in England and a relativeY top team in the Premiership.
Yesterday's showing was nothing new - unfortunately Phil has been on the wane for a good couple of seasons.

Personally I think the same can be said about Baines and Mirallas form the better group of players.