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Poll: Koeman vs Supercomputer - Will Everton finish above 7th?

Will Everton beat the supercomputer's 7th prediction?

  • Yes

    Votes: 98 42.1%

  • No - And I'd be content with 7th

    Votes: 101 43.3%

  • No - and I would not be happy

    Votes: 34 14.6%
  • Total voters
    233
  • Poll closed .
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72Pts. shows you can't judge by the 1st season
When the 2nd season fell away it bought him a 'maybe'
It was the 3rd that did for him.

In all fairness - unless Koeman goes straight to '2nd/3rd season/mike walker' mode, it's all early days yet.

Review in May would seem the sensible way...and it'll have to be pretty dire to not give him another season.

edit; The playing field has changed in the last 4 yrs - see the new sky money and Leicester, it's all moot until we see how things are going
 
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Saint Domingo said:
@davek is right. European football has to be the minimum target each season for any Everton manager, even more so with Moshiri's resources now. If Koeman doesn't get it he won't be fired but you would have to call his first season a failure unless it was accompanied by a trophy. I happen to think he will however comfortably achieve it.
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I think its more a sense of progress than actual European qualification. You can have a decent season yet still not qualify. A bad run can destroy a season.

The main progress for me right now would be for us to not keep making the same mistakes all the time. Defensively this somewhat looks to be sorted which is promising (and not that surprising) but attacking wise we still fail to kill teams off and miss way too many good chances.
 
I think we have the 7th best squad in the league so 7th place is to be expected of him. If he can get this squad to finish higher then he will have done very well indeed in my opinion, given that the six teams with better squads also have very high quality managers. It's gonna be very tough this season.

If we can keep in touch until Christmas and improve the squad in the January window (i.e. playmaker and quality striker cover), then I believe we will be in a better position to take advantage if one of the top six slip up. Hopefully 7th will be sufficient to qualify for EL.
 
davek said:
The four CL spots WILL come from those teams I highlighted. Where in that post did I rule out Everton getting into Europe though?

Dear me.
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Ok mate, so are you saying 7th should be enough to get Europe or that we can finish higher than 1 of the 6 teams that you considered were the ones who had a chance at CL. Or are you saying it should come via a cup win?

I'm just struggling to understand that those 6 clubs in your opinion (and I agree) are the only ones with a chance at CL yet Koeman will have his first strike if he doesn't finish above one of them.
 
Papa Shango said:
I think its more a sense of progress than actual European qualification. You can have a decent season yet still not qualify. A bad run can destroy a season.

The main progress for me right now would be for us to not keep making the same mistakes all the time. Defensively this somewhat looks to be sorted which is promising (and not that surprising) but attacking wise we still fail to kill teams off and miss way too many good chances.
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In my mind there are 6 teams with serious cash in this league. I can understand and begrudgingly accept falling behind them over the course of a season. Given our players and manager I would have serious questions if we finished behind any of the other 13 teams in the league unless one has done a Leicester.

This was my standard once Moyes had moved us from relegation stragglers (basically 06 onwards), it was my standard under Martinez and it remains so under Koeman. He'll get time no question, and if he comes 7th with some great football but the league cup and FA cup winners have deprived us of Europe then obviously fine. Of we're anywhere around 10th though then the season has been a failure no question (unless there's silverware).

If the improvements we all want (in defence, mentality, and big game confidence) actually transpire then the league position takes care of itself.
 

ianefc said:
Ok mate, so are you saying 7th should be enough to get Europe or that we can finish higher than 1 of the 6 teams that you considered were the ones who had a chance at CL. Or are you saying it should come via a cup win?

I'm just struggling to understand that those 6 clubs in your opinion (and I agree) are the only ones with a chance at CL yet Koeman will have his first strike if he doesn't finish above one of them.
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All those clubs wont have 'CL class" seasons. We know this. But four of them WILL occupy the berths for it. Outside of them those other teams will be right in the mix and very catchable...hence a EL spot should be the aim. If we fail to reach that aim...well...it's failure on that score, obviously.

I cant speak plainer or clarify any better than that.
 
davek said:
All those clubs wont have 'CL class" seasons. We know this. But four of them WILL occupy the berths for it. Outside of them those other teams will be right in the mix and very catchable...hence a EL spot should be the aim. If we fail to reach that aim...well...it's failure on that score, obviously.

I cant speak plainer or clarify any better than that.
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Its a shame we couldnt take advantage of 4 of them having a shocker last season, but hey, nevermind, we at least kept Stoke and West Brom on their toes hey!
 

Saint Domingo said:
In some ways yes, in other ways no. There is more money for everyone now, we are arguably on a level playing field with most of the league outside of 5 or 6 clubs. Back in Moyes' era we were one of the lowest spenders in the league, the top 4 were largely imperious, and yet we still saw off the likes of Spurs Villa Newcastle sides with far more resources than us to finish top 6 (even 4th once). I think it was a disgrace that these achievements were derided at the time or patronised now (not by you) and European qualification is still the benchmark I hold any good Everton manager to.
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Interesting point this.

I think looking back it's easy to forget some of the players that Spurs for example had around that period. I can recall at one point them having Berbatov, Keane, Defoe and Mido as strikers. About 234341 midfielders and a fit Ledley King. I think the rest of the league has improved but I'm not sure the top six have.
 
davek said:
All those clubs wont have 'CL class" seasons. We know this. But four of them WILL occupy the berths for it. Outside of them those other teams will be right in the mix and very catchable...hence a EL spot should be the aim. If we fail to reach that aim...well...it's failure on that score, obviously.

I cant speak plainer or clarify any better than that.
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davek said:
All those clubs wont have 'CL class" seasons. We know this. But four of them WILL occupy the berths for it. Outside of them those other teams will be right in the mix and very catchable...hence a EL spot should be the aim. If we fail to reach that aim...well...it's failure on that score, obviously.

I cant speak plainer or clarify any better than that.
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You talk some complete and utter bollocks most of the time Dave.There is no reason why all six of the teams you mention should not be competing for a top four birth, right up until the last game of the season. Your logic is ?
 

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