Possible Director of Football

[abelard]

virtually all English teams have this already, they just tend to avoid using the term or drawing attention to it, because it alarms the duller supporters/pundits. sort of like how peasants and the Catholic church used to be frightened by potatoes.

you can't have a manager like Pelligrini, deBoer, Koeman et al without having someone in this role, whatever you call it

 

[KaiserEFC]

I'm probably juat being stupid, but was Joe Royle not employed in a DoF type role pre Martinez sacking?

 

[Mrk]

to be fair most of their signings are starting to come good (balotelli apart!)

True, but my point was they weren't the players their manager at the time (Rodgers) wanted, which resulted in a pretty ugly end - it's easy to sign good players, but the players have to be able to fit into a mangers style of play, and with Directors of Football, that often doesn't happen.

 

[bizzaro]

I'm probably juat being stupid, but was Joe Royle not employed in a DoF type role pre Martinez sacking?

Youth setup

 

[blueblue]

Let's get Martinez to be our DoF

I actually suggested that before he was sacked , but, it probably couldn't work .

 

[Tricky Trevor 7]

Everton will consider appointing a sporting director as they plot the new era at Goodison.

The Blues are searching for a replacement for Roberto Martinez’s after the club brought his near three year reign to an end on Thursday.

A shortlist including Ronald Koeman , Frank de Boer and Manuel Pellegrini has been drawn up.

Martinez was sacked yesterday afternoon and key members of his backroom staff followed him out the door and Everton are exploring the idea of a making major changes to their management structure.

Koeman, de Boer and Pellegrini all work as head coaches in a European-style framework where a sporting director sits above them.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...rton-explore-sporting-director-model-11330466

What does a director of football do?

Do we need one?

Bad idea , ask the toon army , that's were they went wrong , Rafael is now negotiating with there board , to have full control of everything at the club .Everton don't you observe from other clubs failures. I have bad feelings about this .

 

[LAToffee]

For the nerds, some questions:

1. What teams in PL use it?
2. Why is this model perceived of not yet working in PL?
3. Why might it not have worked here yet, but clearly works in European leagues?
4. Does the fact this model has not been successfully implemented in England explain why the PL teams are falling behind in European leagues?

 

[Neiler]

Joe Royle.

 

[abelard]

Bad idea , ask the toon army , that's were they went wrong , Rafael is now negotiating with there board , to have full control of everything at the club .Everton don't you observe from other clubs failures. I have bad feelings about this .

but if managers don't want full responsibility of everything at the club it doesn't make sense to force it on them. none of the candidates we're linked with so far would. i think the savvier managers in England just play along that they're omniscient dictators, to keep up appearances because they're marketed like pro wrestling icons and the culture expects it of them. they'd be accused of weakness and failure to assimilate otherwise. like how American presidential candidates have to give the air of deep wisdom and authority about guns, and bovine and corn-related concerns, and the trick to eating fried butter whenever they campaign in Iowa.

 

[mightymoyes]

For the nerds, some questions:

1. What teams in PL use it?
2. Why is this model perceived of not yet working in PL?
3. Why might it not have worked here yet, but clearly works in European leagues?
4. Does the fact this model has not been successfully implemented in England explain why the PL teams are falling behind in European leagues?

more clubs than you think have some form of 'director of football'.
interesting article about recruitment at the PL clubs
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/jul/03/premier-league-transfers-who-decides-club-buys

 

[madkiwi]

I like the concept, but it depends on the DoF and manager being able to work together or things turn out bad.

I can't see Jose buying in...

 

[The Dunc]

The more I think about it the more it makes sense. The manager should be focused on training, coaching, tactics, opposition research etc. Why bog him down with contract negotiations, facilities management, transfer negotiations etc. He should simply be able to say " this is what I need", then upto DoF to go get him it.
Whatever brings results is what we all want. Not bothered what structures they put it place to get them.

 

[The Duke of Garston]

Thing is managers don't like working under a director of football.

Look at La Liga, every manager operates under a DOF and no one is particularly happy. There's talk of Luis Enrique going and the Madrid job is a merry go round. Simone is content because he's absolutely nails m8.

 

[Shu Ren Dennis Ng]

Thing is managers don't like working under a director of football.

Look at La Liga, every manager operates under a DOF and no one is particularly happy. There's talk of Luis Enrique going and the Madrid job is a merry go round. Simone is content because he's absolutely nails m8.

Mourinho wants Berta (Athletico) if he becomes United manager, so some work, a lot don't.
I don't like the idea too but if the DoF is someone who the new manager has worked with before or likes, then I have no problem with that.

 

[ilikecheese]

If we are using the GM-Manager/Head Coach as a comparison to a DoF-Manager the biggest key is for they two involved have the exact same vision and work together towards that goal.

In terms of vision I think Roberto had a sound plan...he ultimately couldn't execute it on the pitch. Slate me all you want but I think he would be very good at a DoF sort of role if he could hire the right individual to make it happen on the pitch.

Anyway over here in the states it's usually the teams that have a great GM-MGR/HC symbiotic relationship that are successful.

Usually it is the GM who handpicks his man.