Project restart discussion.

[number4.]

No, and because we had the summer circus, we run the risk of jeapardising this season as well with the late start. Completely stupid.

I don't see European football (club or International) being sustainable, if leagues are going to proceed. Not sure who would be first to blink though

 

[H.H.]

No, and because we had the summer circus, we run the risk of jeapardising this season as well with the late start. Completely stupid.

With the second wave always being forecast and clubs across the country in financial trouble, what should have clubs done Catcher, wait until this winter is over before restarting/waited for an antidote?
Any decision the leagues made would have been criticised and this new season restart has nothing to do with last season now.

 

[catcherintherye]

With the second wave always being forecast and clubs across the country in financial trouble, what should have clubs done Catcher, wait until this winter is over before restarting/waited for an antidote?
Any decision the leagues made would have been criticised and this new season restart has nothing to do with last season now.

I wrote a reasonable amount on this at the time. Essentially the clubs should have;
1) Got ahead of the curve, and collectively opened discussions to uniformally reduce all wage costs (largely on the basis that players weren't playing, and without doing this, clubs would go bust and players wouldn't be paid)

2) Spoken very quickly to broadcasters, and negotiated the last worst deal for not finishing the season. Potentially throwing away as much as 1/4 of last seasons money, but tried to reduce this figure.

3) Prioritised the following season. Losing a 2nd seasons money was always the bigger risk.

4) Started the following season as soon as possible, pre-empting the autumn/winter rise in cases, and put clear guidelines in for what happens if seasons aren't finished.

As soon as we could have played again, we should have started the following the season, having voided the one before (as many countries and sports did). Had we have started in Mid June, essentially aiming to play 2 games per week for as much as possibly we could have got 20+ game weeks in in that time. We would all be breathing a lot easier.

Alongside that, I would have actually cancelled European games for next season. I woild have just focussed on finishing this season. Again unpooular (but it would have got around the old whodeserves to be in Europe thing). I doubt they got much from sponsorship or even TV for doing that. I can see European games being highly effected quite soon and almost impossibe to finish again. Why double the contagian and problems?

So thats how I would have done it. I wouldn't have prioritised 1/4 of a season, to end in what was a circus over the potential of completing a whole season. We will now likely have 2 disjointed seasons, and the powers that be canonly blame themselves as they wasted far too long trying to resucitate a season which to most football fans had already finished and died. It was a vanity exercise over what was needed for the survival of the game.

 

[catcherintherye]

I don't see European football (club or International) being sustainable, if leagues are going to proceed. Not sure who would be first to blink though

I've just popped that above mate.
Of all the stupid things they did, not canvelling European football is the most stupid. They should have just finished last seasons competition this year, when the virus went down a bit.

 

[number4.]

I've just popped that above mate.
Of all the stupid things they did, not canvelling European football is the most stupid. They should have just finished last seasons competition this year, when the virus went down a bit.

My bad - completely agree, but they all see their own as most important. I can see the Europa / CL turning into a farce and teams effectively leaving squads at home based on destination.

I'll Insert some tory imperial arrogance here and suggest that it would be a disgrace if teams did the same travelling here

 

[H.H.]

Catcher mate, it's ok saying all of that but you don't know if we are even going to be able to finish this season. What do we do, keep cancelling them and start yet another new one?

Anyway, a large majority of clubs (including Everton) obviously didn't agree with not restarting and the finishing of both the European competitions went well.

 

[degsy]

@catcherintherye

Fine words and sentiments mate, but a pools panel of soothsayers Nostradamus, mystic meg etc couldn't have forseen the last 8 months...and how it would all pan out in the various European Countries and Leagues?
And I seriously doubt that the PL would have the wit to think of one of your fine suggestions - let alone the will to carry it or them out

 

[H.H.]

Fine words and sentiments mate, but a pools panel of soothsayers Nostradamus, mystic meg etc couldn't have forseen the last 8 months...and how it would all pan out in the various European Countries and Leagues?
And I seriously doubt that the PL would have the wit to think of one of your fine suggestions - let alone the will to carry it or them out

Is that to Catcher?

 

[number4.]

Catcher mate, it's ok saying all of that but you don't know if we are going to be able to finish this season. What do we do, keep cancelling them and start yet another new one?

Anyway, a large majority of clubs (including Everton) obviously didn't agree with that and the finishing of both the European competitions went well.

This season will be finished, even if it takes 18 months of start - stop nonsense

I wrote a reasonable amount on this at the time. Essentially the clubs should have;
1) Got ahead of the curve, and collectively opened discussions to uniformally reduce all wage costs (largely on the basis that players weren't playing, and without doing this, clubs would go bust and players wouldn't be paid)

2) Spoken very quickly to broadcasters, and negotiated the last worst deal for not finishing the season. Potentially throwing away as much as 1/4 of last seasons money, but tried to reduce this figure.

3) Prioritised the following season. Losing a 2nd seasons money was always the bigger risk.

4) Started the following season as soon as possible, pre-empting the autumn/winter rise in cases, and put clear guidelines in for what happens if seasons aren't finished.

As soon as we could have played again, we should have started the following the season, having voided the one before (as many countries and sports did). Had we have started in Mid June, essentially aiming to play 2 games per week for as much as possibly we could have got 20+ game weeks in in that time. We would all be breathing a lot easier.

Alongside that, I would have actually cancelled European games for next season. I woild have just focussed on finishing this season. Again unpooular (but it would have got around the old whodeserves to be in Europe thing). I doubt they got much from sponsorship or even TV for doing that. I can see European games being highly effected quite soon and almost impossibe to finish again. Why double the contagian and problems?

So thats how I would have done it. I wouldn't have prioritised 1/4 of a season, to end in what was a circus over the potential of completing a whole season. We will now likely have 2 disjointed seasons, and the powers that be canonly blame themselves as they wasted far too long trying to resucitate a season which to most football fans had already finished and died. It was a vanity exercise over what was needed for the survival of the game.

Im nervous of re-entering this rabbit hole with you @catcherintherye but 4) would still be in court if the previous season hadn't been completed. I fully agree with your idealism here, but the practicalities run much deeper sadly.

Entering this season, my understanding is there is a unilaterally binding agreement that the 20/21 season will be completed irrespective of timelines

 

[degsy]

Is that to Catcher?

Yep i just tagged him in

 

[H.H.]

This season will be finished, even if it takes 18 months of start - stop nonsense


Im nervous of re-entering this rabbit hole with you @catcherintherye but 4) would still be in court if the previous season hadn't been completed. I fully agree with your idealism here, but the practicalities run much deeper sadly.

Entering this season, my understanding is there is a unilaterally binding agreement that the 20/21 season will be completed irrespective of timelines

I'm not the one saying the season won't ever finish, I only meant that they could be difficult to finish, (I didn't put my point across as well as I could have done.)
I mentioned Catcher's scenario(s) that they should be stopped then started with a brand new season, just like he wanted last season.

 

[number4.]

I'm not the one saying the season won't ever finish, I only meant that they could be difficult to finish.
I mentioned Catcher's scenario(s) that they should be stopped then started with a brand new season.

Yeah fair enough - my only point on this is you can't start a new season without completing the previous one. This is ultimately what killed the null and void debate and will do the same this time around should there be significant downtime

 

[H.H.]

Yeah fair enough - my only point on this is you can't start a new season without completing the previous one. This is ultimately what killed the null and void debate and will do the same this time around should there be significant downtime

I fully agree Number 4.

 

[catcherintherye]

This season will be finished, even if it takes 18 months of start - stop nonsense


Im nervous of re-entering this rabbit hole with you @catcherintherye but 4) would still be in court if the previous season hadn't been completed. I fully agree with your idealism here, but the practicalities run much deeper sadly.

Entering this season, my understanding is there is a unilaterally binding agreement that the 20/21 season will be completed irrespective of timelines

Well thats just not the case. I am unaware of any legal action, for any sporting competition which voided. There's a reason for that, there is no legal case for it.

It is not idealism that motivates, but pragmtism or being pratctical. We took the idealistic route, we should have taken the pragmatic one.

I have seen nothing to suggest the above. To me it would be naive to sign such an agreement. However if they have agreed it prior to the competition starting, it is markedly different to introducing the desire to re-start something part way through.

Anyway I have no intention on going down rabbit holes. We are clearly in a bad position. Poor decisions have put us there. The poster asked how I would have avoided it, and I gave him how it could have happened. There would have been losers in that scenario, but to me it would have been a price worth paying.

 

[catcherintherye]

Yeah fair enough - my only point on this is you can't start a new season without completing the previous one. This is ultimately what killed the null and void debate and will do the same this time around should there be significant downtime

Of course you can. What happened in the Scottish season, or Dutch season, or Belgiu season, or football season in 1939/40. Not only can you, but it has regularly happened.

I think if we are all honest, it would be a more integrity driven way that having a new season circus, with different players, months after the previous one had ended. There was no intregrity in that. None whatsoever.