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2021/22 Rafael Benitez
- Thread starter RomanReigns
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Our worst defeat since then, sorry - was it the 80s? Regardless, it was bad.
Yeah, the club needed him gone, the club really did and I know that. Benitez wouldn't have used him. I had no issues getting rid. I had issues getting rid when Everton couldn't replace for four months.
Kin’ell, again
This is twice in a week, if you’re going to use a term then please learn how to spell it
toffeeblue9
Player Valuation: £35m
1982 - under Howard Kendall. The fact it was under him is a major part of the reason I wouldn't necessarily use the scoreline as a stick to beat Benitez with. There are actually a fair few parallels between the situations, but I digress.
It was bad. Horrible like, but I'm still much more upset about the Watford result.
I can't agree mate. 40 years is a long time and footy is completely different. Benitez set us up to fail in that game the other day. You can get beat, yeah, Liverpool are a great side, but our manager sevred it up on a platter for them and then managed to hide behind the DoF (who had no defence either) - and his smugness after the Arsenal game; I wanted to smack him mate. I don't like the bloke. He's arrogant, stubborn and extremely poor for 2021. A bad mix if you ask me.
Like you, that Watford defeat still annoys me more too, and that was also very much down to our dear manager.
ForeverBlue92
Player Valuation: £80m
We all do mate but what is that exactly?
We've tried the world class Carlo
The young and progressive Martinez & Silva
The steady eddie Alladyce (who fans hated)
The flavour of the month Koeman
At some point you have to let a manager come in and rip the foundations out because the foundations lets be honest have rotted away post Moyes.
Brands goes and people are crying - the same people who days before were including Brands in the list of people needing booting in their protest manifesto! lol
You have these players who take the mick yet we side with them all the time Digne been the latest one by all accounts - you do your job and keep ya mouth shut earning tens a thousands a week imo.
This club has been a doss house for years now and im more than happy for this manager to do what needs to be done with it.
There are legitimate criticisms such as tactics but there is no gurantee the next manager will play 433 - they could come in and play 442, 4231, 352, 343 etc.
toffeeblue9
Player Valuation: £35m
Won't argue with that. I think you've made your mind up on him, which is fine. I would say he's walking the tightrope right now. The Arsenal result has given him a tiny bit of breathing room, but there are some big issues to be addressed. If we slip back into the same sort of form we've shown lately over Christmas, it'll be difficult for him to stay on as the fans (quite rightly) won't accept it. My own view on it is that I've sort of reached the point where I'm just sick of the constant upheaval - Benitez would have been almost literally the last manager in world football I'd have wanted over the summer, but I firmly believe we need some sort of consistency now so I'm prepared to give anyone, and I do mean anyone, 2 or 3 years to settle everything down. The only caveat I would add is that this becomes null and void if it looks like we are in danger of going down, so to that end we weren't a million miles from being dragged into that relegation scrap before Monday night and it would only take another two or three bad results to end up back there - this is the point for me where we cut ties, but failing that I will swallow my pride and give him (or anyone else Moshiri wants to ram down our throats) a fair crack of the whip.
None of that equates to Benitez being the only available manager in world football/
I don't side with the players all of the time. But I hate the 'these players always get rid of managers' shouts.
For one, they aren't true, as the squad has changed so much and the ones that were here during Koeman's time include our club captain (who nobody can accuse of taking the p) and our best goalkeeper, our best player (DCL) and a CB that every single manager has played every game.
It is the MANAGER who has to get the best out of the players. That is their job. When they fail, they get replaced.
I have, I'll admit. I don't like him. I think he's everything I said in that post and I don't like that he's been given leeway to take this club forward. I don't get the 'but who else' shouts. He'll leave us in a worse position than when he found us. He's all about self-preservation. He just hides behind others and uses his PR spin. He'd have blamed injuries and the fan unrest if Arsenal had won the other night. We all know it.
But, I don't want him to lose games. I said that the other day. Because if he loses we lose. So I want Benitez to do well here, in that sense. But I want him punted into the sun at the first available chance.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
That sums it up nicely.
Can you imagine the risk of another manager in this club right now? That really would be playong with fire.
As you say, the players recognise the manager is a force in the club after just 6 months into his appointment: he's seen off Brands, the club doctor, and an errant player who thinks he can rebel without ramifications for him; he's sidelined Kenwright and DBB, and he looks in lock step with the owner. The anarcho-syndicalist movement in the coaching staff are on the run.
It's needed this at Everton. Maybe Moshiri's insistence on bringing Benitez in is the biggest and only decision he's got right so far.
Surely all squid are damp ?
toffeeblue9
Player Valuation: £35m
I promise you I'll never trot out the "who else?" thing. There's ALWAYS someone else.
My kopite mates had endless fun in the summer dragging up bile-filled emails I'd sent about the guy years ago, I had a near meltdown in the summer when it became clear he was going to become our manager. The power struggle with Brands was inevitable given his past. I could spend all day listing the reasons I hated the guy.
But I reached a point over the summer, I can't remember exactly when, when I came to the conclusion that I want Everton to do well more than I hate Benitez and this time it isn't an Allardyce type thing where you know you've only got to put up with it for 6 months and, more importantly, I think this constant change is one of the things which is hurting us.
The one thing I can't accept, and I don't care whether it's Benitez, Tuchel or Guardiola who is in charge, is the threat of relegation. It's the straw that broke the camel's back for Koeman and Silva and it needs to be where we draw the line here or for anyone else too. Benitez has my (silently grudging) support until we reach that point and I acknowledge we are only a few bad results away from it. I will not be moaning about style of play, players he won't pick, etc etc as at the end of the day I'm not bothered about how we get there, I just want the club to progress and, to my mind, the way we do that is by picking a horse and backing it. Moshiri appears to have picked his horse. I have a number of misgivings about whether he's the right one to have placed our faith in, but the most important part for me is to actually go through the process. Let's face it, we've been gradually falling down the table for years now, he can't really fall much further without falling foul of my one caveat anyway.
So, I fully understand all of your concerns about him, but until we reach the threat of relegation (and yes, our worst run of form in 22 years very much qualifies as skirting close to this), I'm going to remain a (largely silent) Benitez in man.
ForeverBlue92
Player Valuation: £80m
And we've said that for the last 5-6 years and each time the manager whoever it is ends up failing here.
At some point you have to let someone come in and shake things up.
GraemeS1980
Player Valuation: £20m
All this is purely down to Benitez having been manager of the RS, if he had never been at them and had won what he has with say MUFC or Chelski then we wouldnt even be having these debates. Please bare in mind Demerai Gray is a Benitez signing (told so by DG himself in a preseason interview) and DG has been involved in more goals this season than Jack Grealish who cost over 50 times more! I was starting to get concerned about the Managerial position however I am of the opinion that Benitez deserves respect for what he has done in the game and also we have tried everything else. Give him a go, get Goodison rocking every game not just when the VAR gets involved and look what happens! All the players interviewed after the game Keane, Coleman, Gray, Pickford, Gordon and the manager all said how having the fans behind them helped. Look at the players posts on social media all stating the fans were brilliant and made a difference. It won't happen any time soon because evidence of the ship turning is required and the team to do something but I am certain that one day the fans will be singing his name one day. He remains very calm and collected on the touchline before, during and at 90 minutes but on one video (tunnel access on youtube) Benitez is walking at the side of the pitch after the fans of gone and you can clearly see how happy he is, give the bloke a chance and maybe just maybe we will get somewhere.
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