2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[John from Bootle]

Then there's the other side of the coin. The megalomaniac Benitez tears everything down and sets himself up as the linchpin of the club.

I personally believe that's the only way to run a football club. We didn't do too badly -all things considered- with that model under Moyes.

The DoF model is dead, imo.

DoF's used to be able to operate in the background. Not anymore. Not in an age when every Tom, [Poor language removed] and Harry have the platform(s) to question, scrutinize and demand accountability.

So who exactly should be in charge of a FOOTBALL club? A business/career man like Ed Woodward? An owner like Moshiri? The fans? Or the people we pay fortunes to for their expertise in FOOTBALL?

 

[Toffeelover]

Didn’t Benitez bring in a striker this Summer that was designed to be good at scoring from set pieces?

Rondon????

 

[Nymzee]

Just dealt with that.. ^^^

No you never - we let in 6 goals from set pieces last season (7 if you include a direct free-kick but I don’t) and we’ve already eclipsed that at just halfway through the season.

 

[Nymzee]

Rondon????

No, Gray

 

[MrGrumpy]

Then there's the other side of the coin. The megalomaniac Benitez tears everything down and sets himself up as the linchpin of the club. He will bring in yes men to replace those he has ousted and will still be a tactically bereft manager totally unsuited to modern football, inevitably he will be sacked and the club will be in turmoil because all that will be left are the Benitez appointed yes men.

You have a very odd idea of what 'any Evertonian' should want. Benitez needs to go rapidly, then a new DOF or CEO who are both competent and empowered need to be appointed and come up with a short list of possible coaches. The owner should employ one of these candidates and let the DOF, CEO and coach get on with running the club.

This won't happen overnight, so, the first step is get shut of Benitez and appoint an interim manager to run things until the end of the season, by which time the CEO, DOF and coach should have been identified and in place to start next season.

Stability, is your watchword when defending Benitez, then you condone the idea of him ripping the place apart, hardly stability. You can't have it both ways Dave, Benitez can never bring stability to this club He is also a very limited manager these days.

I thought he would go after Arsenal but I really think he go after Leicester. Chelsea will put 3 plus past us on Thursday and Sunday will have a horrendous atmosphere, unless the team turn up which I’m sure they won’t

 

[Toffeelover]

No, Gray

Oh.

 

[AsiaAsia82]

….i recall being regularly told it was only the injuries holding us back, we have a very decent team when everybody is fit. There’ll always be one or two injuries and/or suspensions, the best managers cope.

I’m genuinely surprised at how poorly the team is being managed. We played a Palace team coming off the back of 3 defeats, yet the clear tactics was to allow them possession, consolidate and not concede; No press, instead forwards drop into their own half. No tempo.

Everton have won more points from a losing position than any other team in the PL. it’s a major stat as it shows we are poorly set-up and organised at the start of games. There is no getting away from that. We are more effective when we go behind & have to play more positively.

Only a very stubborn man would continue down a path that doesn’t work. This team/squad is better than most in the league, we are poorly coached.

This type of logical, perceptive analysis will have no bearing on the collaborating cult.
They will not see the light - until it’s too late.

 

[Toffeepot]

I am not sure how 'all in' they are given that there isnt going to be much money to spend in January. Who or what does Benitez intend to bring in when he hasnt the funds to buy players?

Sell our best players to fund some purchases - possibly. Would antagonise the fan base furher, although no one at the club (bar Kenwright, maybe) has a problem with Benitez taking a wrecking ball to everything, it seems.

It's the blind trust in a man with his foot barely in the door that bothers me most. He won't care if we object to the players he sells or staff he gets rid of. I reckon Benitez could have had more people out of the club than games won this season by the end

 

[Nymzee]

Oh.

I was being sarcastic. Yes Rondon.

 

[jamieni]

I personally believe that's the only way to run a football club. We didn't do too badly -all things considered- with that model under Moyes.

The DoF model is dead, imo.

DoF's used to be able to operate in the background. Not anymore. Not in an age when every Tom, [Poor language removed] and Harry have the platform(s) to question, scrutinize and demand accountability.

So who exactly should be in charge of a FOOTBALL club? A business/career man like Ed Woodward? An owner like Moshiri? The fans? Or the people we pay fortunes to for their expertise in FOOTBALL?

I think the DoF model is fine as long as there are clear lines of accountability within the club and the two are prepared to work together. It doesn’t work at Everton because the owner gets involved in all sorts.

I don’t have a problem with the manager running all football affairs either as long as they do a good job of it. No evidence of that so far from Benitez I’m afraid.

 

[davek]

I gave raw numbers, I didn't misrepresent anything lol

You gave an interpretation of them, but you know the old saying... if you are explaining then you are losing.

Statisitics can't just be invalid unless they back your own agenda. It doesn't work like that unfortunately.

The raw numbers does not show the gulf in performance between this and last season.

You claimed they did and they didn't.

 

[MrGrumpy]

I personally believe that's the only way to run a football club. We didn't do too badly -all things considered- with that model under Moyes.

The DoF model is dead, imo.

DoF's used to be able to operate in the background. Not anymore. Not in an age when every Tom, [Poor language removed] and Harry have the platform(s) to question, scrutinize and demand accountability.

So who exactly should be in charge of a FOOTBALL club? A business/career man like Ed Woodward? An owner like Moshiri? The fans? Or the people we pay fortunes to for their expertise in FOOTBALL?

Every other club in the world have DOF. City and Liverpool and Chelsea all have DOF works well for them

 

[davek]

Fixed

But he isn;t and wont be.

 

[jamieni]

Every other club in the world have DOF. City and Liverpool and Chelsea all have DOF works well for them

The only reason Brands got so much publicity was because things were going so spectacularly wrong due to the all round ineptitude of the board. I couldn’t tell you who the DoF is in any other club in the PL apart from Spurs.

 

[jamieni]

….i recall being regularly told it was only the injuries holding us back, we have a very decent team when everybody is fit. There’ll always be one or two injuries and/or suspensions, the best managers cope.

I’m genuinely surprised at how poorly the team is being managed. We played a Palace team coming off the back of 3 defeats, yet the clear tactics was to allow them possession, consolidate and not concede; No press, instead forwards drop into their own half. No tempo.

Everton have won more points from a losing position than any other team in the PL. it’s a major stat as it shows we are poorly set-up and organised at the start of games. There is no getting away from that. We are more effective when we go behind & have to play more positively.

Only a very stubborn man would continue down a path that doesn’t work. This team/squad is better than most in the league, we are poorly coached.

I agree. We start every game terribly. Although I do think it’s been a bit of a trait of these players generally although things have been very pronounced this season.