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2021/22 Rafael Benitez

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Legend Barry Horne said:
You’ve exposed yourself my friend - this is all emotion

From what I understand he joined them very close to the end of the season in a relegation threatened position and won a number of games but not enough to keep them up. But then got them up and they’ve stayed up since

And the fans liked him there

But you’re out of runway - trying to find negatives as a cover for the real reason for not liking him - ie his kopite connection
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You seem quite "new" to this!!

Been around a while like but pretty much going over ground that has been well posted about, perhaps read back the thread a few hundred or so pages.
 
BirkenheadBlue said:
Superbly put.

1pt from safety with a game in hand, and got relegated with a game to spare.
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I really dont care what he did or said with other clubs anywhere, near or far.... I am only concerned with Everton right now and we are in deep, right up to our bottom lip and sinking fast. The chances of us winning Thursday are miniscule, even though its a 2 horse race settled over 90 minutes.
His record with Everton this season does not merit him being kept on for the second half of the season. If Moshiri believes this 'second half will be much better' BS then he deserves to be in the Championship next year.
Someone has to wake the club up and ring the alarm bells before its too late! January is too late! Moshiri doesnt listen to the fans but are there any journo's out there who arent wedged up his butt and will speak the truth... We are in terminal relegation form!
 
Legend Barry Horne said:
You’ve exposed yourself my friend - this is all emotion

From what I understand he joined them very close to the end of the season in a relegation threatened position and won a number of games but not enough to keep them up. But then got them up and they’ve stayed up since

And the fans liked him there

But you’re out of runway - trying to find negatives as a cover for the real reason for not liking him - ie his kopite connection
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And Steve Bruce did as well as our current manager and in the same circumstances, but without the perpetual whining and egotistical posturing.
 

allezlesbleus said:
Thanks for the detailed answer, appreciate the time you put into it.
I fully agree that we have lost our standing in the game which will make lots of people think twice about managing us. It is certainly not a task for the faint hearted or someone who has at least paid a few dues somewhere quite tough.

I would say, though, that the expectations of the fans, overall, are not unrealistically high. Generally, people are not expecting CL qualification, cup winning seasons immediately. But largely the same group of players who we all know are not good enough for top 4 were close to European qualification most of last year while having lots of injuries too. This season basically there has been a collapse in their form, they play with even less cohesion than last year and lose game after game including matches against modest opposition. We had some shocking performances last year but some well-earned, narrow victories that showed something could be got out of the players. His default “style” is let the other team have the ball and then counter. Well, as a match-going fan, it is not much fun watching the opponent have the ball for most of the game, especially modest ones like Palace. It’s Allardyce all over again, the worst of Ancelotti.
And, proof of the pudding, it’s not actually very effective or successful either. Leeds away, Man U away, Arsenal home, last 30 v Burnley showed lots of positives. People have said Brighton,too, but I did not see that. Early on his substitutions showed the value of an experienced touch. But his usual set up is boring and overly cautious, his persistence with Rondon is mad and his comments about us going in the right direction are taking the proverbial.
I am not a Sky generation fan and I get a bit miffed to be called such. I am not expecting miracles overnight but do expect us to get stuck in and attack teams who are not that great.
He may have learned a great deal at those clubs but the current evidence is that he can’t turn that learning into a performance that can get points off Villa, Wolves, Watford, Brentford and Palace and he is showing signs of reverting to the grumpy, blame others and cold shoulder anyone who disagrees persona which I think serves Everton badly. He is far from the only problem in the club, but I remain to be convinced that he is the solution.
Anyway, time will tell. A few performances like Arsenal in the next six games and things will look brighter. A few more like Palace and we will be looking over our shoulders and relying on others being garbage. And that state of affairs, if it comes to pass, is just not good enough.
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Fair do’s you have put your point across very well and fully understand you reservations about Benitez..

I suppose time will be the biggest judge of all regarding this.. can’t see a good result coming tomorrow however the kinder fixtures coming up along with maybe a few of the injuries clearing up may turn the tide a bit.. we have seen first hand how far up a team can go with two wins so here’s hoping.
 
Legend Barry Horne said:
Who could we realistically recruit then who you wouldn’t envisage shooting holes through at the first sign of a bad run?
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This isn’t “the first sign of a bad run”. It’s a historically bad run of results and - arguably more importantly - truly woeful performances.

There’s not a manager in the league (and certainly not at a club of our size) who would have survived this run.
 

Legend78 said:
Fair do’s you have put your point across very well and fully understand you reservations about Benitez..

I suppose time will be the biggest judge of all regarding this.. can’t see a good result coming tomorrow however the kinder fixtures coming up along with maybe a few of the injuries clearing up may turn the tide a bit.. we have seen first hand how far up a team can go with two wins so here’s hoping.
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If we could get 2 wins it would help.

But lose a few more, and the impact of getting 2 wins will reduce further.
 

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