2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[ForeverBlue92]

Arrrrhahhhhhffffffgghhhhhhggghweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

That's the noise I imagine he'll make.

Whilst squeezing hold of his bollox tight til they go pop! lol

 

[Kev The Rat]

At least offer a counter argument rather than just giving every single post the middle finger

You think I’ve not offered counter arguments 100 or more times?

Unlike you some people don’t feel the need to write 8 paragraphs each post, repeating exactly what they’d said in the previous post!

 

[Legend78]

Is this from your intensive 6 month study of all things Everton yea?

Is this from your intensive 6 month study of all things Everton yea?

But again, being in a long time, doesn't make you the right person.

Give me 4 million pounds a year, and I will be in longer than Benitez. Christ I'll have a bed up there and be in 24/7. It's not about how long you are somewhere, what matters is the bottom line. The results.

I always worry when people start talking about how much they are in, when questioned. It normally hints to me someone who is not good at their job, and is trying to blag people. It's a given people will work hard. Can you get good results is the question he has to answer. What time he has his morning coffee has no relevance.

I'm also not sure by what you mean "at this time". We were a club that finished 31 points above the relegation zone. We were very safe, very comfortable, not in any imminent danger or crisis. He has plunged us into potential crisis. That's his doing, and his doing singularly. Getting us out of a crisis he has created is also not doing a good job. It's rectifying a big mess up, and again would not, and should not be looked upon favourably.

So what is this crisis Benitez has got the Club into.. has he injured DCL.. Mina.. Dacoure etc.. did he cause the incompetence of the medical staff over the years or maybe caused Brands so waste so much money on duds.. maybe he caused the likes of Digne to spit his dummy out on whatever he asked him to do in the best interests of Everton Football Club...
you know something maybe some fans don’t deserve a manager who has obviously sunk everything into this job.. countless Interviews.. family threatened.. bedsheets.. fans berating every single decision he makes and even when he does do well against better clubs like Arsenal.. Spurs and Chelsea he still gets no credit...
You couldn’t make this stuff up especially when some would rather have a loser like Moyes instead, flavour of the month like Potter or rookies like Ferguson and Rooney.. some people don’t understand football.. SKY Sports brigade in full flow..

 

[catcherintherye]

None of them have won anything of note.

Benitez has won major European trophies with four different clubs in three different European leagues. He has also won major domestic trophies with five different teams in three different European leagues. That doesn’t happen by accident.

Their records are in no way comparable.

They have never had the opportunities Benitez has had.

He inherited Valencia when they have just got to a Europea cup final. At Liverpool he fluked a CL in honesty, spent more money than anyone bar Chelsea and then won an FA Cup and zip else. At Inter Milan and Real Madrid he took over the best teams in their country and arguably Europe, and again won nothing and humiliated both. At Chelsea he won a European trophy, but DI Matteo did far better with the same squad, so again that was the squad not him. At Napoli, he got less points than pretty much all the managers who followed.

Thats 7 or 8 very well backed clubs financially and he has won surprisingly little. Compare to Ancelotti or Mourinho who have managed at similar clubs, and they are far ahead of him.

When he went to a more moderate club like Newcastle, he flopped. Steve Bruce did exactly the same job. That's his level I fear.

 

[Kev The Rat]

When reality one day finally hits Kev that Benitez is EFC manager for another 2-3 years I dread to think how he'll take it lol

2-3 years ha ha

 

[Marius57]

I honestly think last seasons after Xmas form under Ancelotti would of continued into this season myself.. it was a runaway train going downhill. I think one of the first things Benitez needed to do was to somehow put the brakes on that.. yes results have been bad but for me given the hand he has been dealt with since arriving it was always going to be a slow burner before he put things right.
This is why the time to judge is at the end of the season and after he has had a summer transfer window to work in., just give him the same time and money as the five previous managers.. surely that’s fair..

So you think last seasons form would have continued into this season.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did ancelotti go 1 win from 11? 5 points from 33? The form may have continued, but benitez has pushed it off a cliff.

Did you watch any of our games last season to be making that presumption?

 

[banno]

None of them have won anything of note.

Benitez has won major European trophies with four different clubs in three different European leagues. He has also won major domestic trophies with five different teams in three different European leagues. That doesn’t happen by accident.

Their records are in no way comparable.

Doesn't count because they were more than 6 years ago = dinosaur

 

[Kev The Rat]

None of them have won anything of note.

Benitez has won major European trophies with four different clubs in three different European leagues. He has also won major domestic trophies with five different teams in three different European leagues. That doesn’t happen by accident.

Their records are in no way comparable.

Yeah so hard winning trophies with Chelsea , Liverpool , Valencia

Almost as tough as winning stuff with Sheff Utd and Burnley really.

 

[Marius57]

I just think Benitez is the right appointment for what the club requires at this precise time in its history... he has a wealth of experience and knows the game inside out... the thing I think is really important is he wants to get involved in every aspect of the club from top to bottom which given the way the club has been run over the years is no bad thing.. couldn’t be any worse in fact..
Everybody knows Benitez is first person in of a morning.. last to leave of a night and leaves no stone unturned in trying to make the Club he’s employed for a success..that’s why he was appointed and is exactly what the club needs right now..
To compare him next to names like Ferguson.. Rooney.. Potter and Nuno who were the only other ones is a complete joke just like the people on here who seem to think top managers are breaking down the door to take the Everton job.. maybe 30 years ago.. definately not now....

Ancelotti was with us 6 months ago. And he is considered a world class manager still. Not historical. Still. Which is why Real Madrid came for him. Do you think real madrid will be coming for benitez any time soon?

You don't think there would be several managers in Europe wanting to come to an established PL team like us that has been set in mid table, ready to be built on?

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

And same league position every year ?

Well we’ve been going backwards for a while now so maybe some consistency would be an improvement.

 

[COYBL25]

So you think last seasons form would have continued into this season.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did ancelotti go 1 win from 11? 5 points from 33? The form may have continued, but benitez has pushed it off a cliff.

Did you watch any of our games last season to be making that presumption?

He was too busy watching the mighty Dalian on Sky, inbetween trips to Accrington, Fleetwood and Marine.

 

[Bluestar]

They have never had the opportunities Benitez has had.

He inherited Valencia when they have just got to a Europea cup final. At Liverpool he fluked a CL in honesty, spent more money than anyone bar Chelsea and then won an FA Cup and zip else. At Inter Milan and Real Madrid he took over the best teams in their country and arguably Europe, and again won nothing and humiliated both. At Chelsea he won a European trophy, but DI Matteo did far better with the same squad, so again that was the squad not him. At Napoli, he got less points than pretty much all the managers who followed.

Thats 7 or 8 very well backed clubs financially and he has won surprisingly little. Compare to Ancelotti or Mourinho who have managed at similar clubs, and they are far ahead of him.

When he went to a more moderate club like Newcastle, he flopped. Steve Bruce did exactly the same job. That's his level I fear.

Winning doesn’t happen by accident.

Moyes went to the reigning champions and crashed and burned.

I’m afraid you don’t win that many trophies without considerable expertise. I know people dont want him here, but the deconstruction of his achievements in an attempt to invalidate them is ridiculous.

He took his chances. Moyes didn’t. Dyche will never get that opportunity because he isn’t up to it. He is another Sam Allardyce.

 

[Marius57]

So what is this crisis Benitez has got the Club into.. has he injured DCL.. Mina.. Dacoure etc.. did he cause the incompetence of the medical staff over the years or maybe caused Brands so waste so much money on duds.. maybe he caused the likes of Digne to spit his dummy out on whatever he asked him to do in the best interests of Everton Football Club...
you know something maybe some fans don’t deserve a manager who has obviously sunk everything into this job.. countless Interviews.. family threatened.. bedsheets.. fans berating every single decision he makes and even when he does do well against better clubs like Arsenal.. Spurs and Chelsea he still gets no credit...
You couldn’t make this stuff up especially when some would rather have a loser like Moyes instead, flavour of the month like Potter or rookies like Ferguson and Rooney.. some people don’t understand football.. SKY Sports brigade in full flow..

Why do you care when you don't support us though? You keep coming on having a go at fans of a club you don't have an interest in. Again, calling it the sky sports brigade, saying fans don't deserve the manager, saying you couldn't make it up.

What's it matter? Let fans think what they want to think. Clearly benitez isn't bothered by it, so why are you?

 

[catcherintherye]

So what is this crisis Benitez has got the Club into.. has he injured DCL.. Mina.. Dacoure etc.. did he cause the incompetence of the medical staff over the years or maybe caused Brands so waste so much money on duds.. maybe he caused the likes of Digne to spit his dummy out on whatever he asked him to do in the best interests of Everton Football Club...
you know something maybe some fans don’t deserve a manager who has obviously sunk everything into this job.. countless Interviews.. family threatened.. bedsheets.. fans berating every single decision he makes and even when he does do well against better clubs like Arsenal.. Spurs and Chelsea he still gets no credit...
You couldn’t make this stuff up especially when some would rather have a loser like Moyes instead, flavour of the month like Potter or rookies like Ferguson and Rooney.. some people don’t understand football.. SKY Sports brigade in full flow..

Hold on mate, some of this is complete nonsense.

The crisis I refer to, is being in the bottom 6 in the league, getting little over a point a game. The previous manager, had us within 8 points of the CL, 31 points clear of the relegation zone (about as far away from it as we have been in my lifetime). So relatively speaking, the teams performance of which he is accountable has put us into crisis. Injuries are no excuse either, we had far worse injuries last season, and got to 59 points. Thats the baseline for his performance, which has really plummeted.

I am not sure what "incompetence" you refer to, perhaps you could give some details? Our injury record has been poor under him, no? Or do other people get the blame even when he is in charge?

As for Digne, I have no idea if he's spat his dummy out and won't get drawn on idle speculation. The reality is though, it's the mangers job to ensure players don't spit their dummies out, so if he has, that is on Benitez too. I have given him the benefit of the doubt on that, as I'm not sure that has happened.

Much of the rest of your post is just needlessly insulting. Why don't I as a fan deserve a manager who is grossly underperforming? Why does the manager deserve the support of someone like me, who pays his huge wages? Who on earth do you think you are, to go making any moral judgements on who I do or don't deserve as a manager? Politely, have you clocked 15,000-20,000 a year following the club home and away year after year? I hate bringing that stuff up, and I know not everyone can do that stuff, but I wouldn't sit there making judgements on what someone does or doesn't deserve, from a position of having likely not really attended many games.

He will likely score the lowest points total in his 1st season as manager for any manager this century. I expect my club to aim to be the best. If he is the worst this century, I have given enough time, money and effort to be able to put a critical opinion, no? So please, don't start with telling me what I do or don't deserve. I wouldn't do it to you.

Can you elaborate what makes Tottenham or Arsenal "better" clubs than Everton? Why is a draw against Tottenham "doing better" or meaning he is above any criticism. You know we defeated Tottenham home and away last season don't you? Why is a draw against Tottenham, who've won nothing of note in my lifetime a good result?

Moyes is a far better manager than Benitez. He operated for 11 years on the budget Benitez has, and his supporters never insulted the fanbase as you have today. We never lost a derby at home by the margin he did. We never acted like a draw against Tottenham at home was some miracle result. We finished in the top 8 almost every season. He inherited a woeful squad (as someone who was going every week back then I am aware of such small details) about to be relegated, not one that finished 31 points above the relegation zone.

As a final aside, I'd love to hear what you think above makes me a sky sports fan. I attend matches regularly, and I suspect you watch Sky Sports, not me. And that is meant as respectfully as it can be.

 

[Bluestar]

Doesn't count because they were more than 6 years ago = dinosaur

You are entitled not to want him, but his record stands up, Personally, I will wait and judge at the end of the season.