ramadan

[Scottoffee]

Few Points - From someone that currently lives in the Middle East and has done on-and-off since 1989

1. It's Ramadan, but a large number of cafes & restaurants are still open and all the regular places are still operating their home delivery all day long - clearly we've influenced their society to a fairly major extent to get the govt to allow this... Wonder if there's a forum somewhere with people complaining about how we're here to take over their country?!...
2. I have a fair few Muslim mates that have married non-Muslims and nobody's been forced to convert - they have to take a seminar so as to have a better appreciation and understanding of Islam, that's all.
3. I used to date a Yemeni girl and her folks were totally fine with me - her old man was a Utd fan, but never mind.
4. A Christian mate of mine just married an Iranian girl, again, no conversion or anything, kept it all secular and everyone including her highly religious extended family were more than happy.
5. We've all been eating halal food for ages, its the same as Kosher but nobody seems to be harassing the Jews about forcing us to eat it their way long before the Muslims came along and everyone started making a ****storm out of it
6. In the UAE, as well as in Oman, Malaysia, Qatar, Indonesia and basically anywhere that isn't Saudi or Pakistan, women are treated no worse than in Christian dominated countries
7. People complain about protecting Imams - How many more thousands of Catholic paedophiles are covered up by the Vatican and/or the UK, US, or other Govt?
8. Here in the UAE we have both Sharia and Civil court for non-Muslims - so they can again work both ways, but everyone in the UK expects Muslims to sit there and swear on the Bible to tell the truth and all that...

People need to get their facts straight and look at life from the other side a little more.

 

[EFCNIK]

There all good points, but sorry to sound ignorant, I'm really only arsed with what's going on over here and how it affects my country.

 

[Azzurri]

Not sure tbh, not really the crowd I'd hang around with. There are black people and Asian people and as far as Im aware there's a Hindu section of The EDL too. It's not a racist group as the media portray although Im sure there are racist people in it. Just like there are in the police, or in The NHS or I dare say it lining the terraces at Goodison. The point I was trying to make is that he is interested in dialogue, Ive seen him sitting in a costa service station 1 on 1 with an imam having a discussion with my own eyes, so I'm sure he does it fairly regularly.. The EDL are a rather ugly symptom of the problem. No problem, no EDL. People shouldn't just shut off from them, they should listen and try to understand. There needs to be dialogue between both sides, as the growing resentment of not being listened to is making them grow bigger and attract a larger audience. People say they don't like them because they are violent, I can tell you that the threats of violence and acts of violence from muslims and the ironically named fascist group 'unite against facism' against The EDL far out way the other way round but with little or no arrests. Again, I cant stress how much I would never affiliate myself with The EDL, it has a LOT of problems and a lot of scumbags. but it also has a lot of decent people who are just sick to death of whats going on and want a way to be heard. Its just not happening at the moment. Rather than sweep stuff under the carpet, address it, face up to it, take a stand and admit its wrong without being afraid of offending. WE would all, including the muslim community, be much better off.

Yeah but nobody works for the NHS or goes to Goodison because of their racist views. Plus the percentage of people in the EDL who are racist is much higher than in any of the groups you mentioned and you can't say that's a coincidence.

IMO Robinson/Lennon actually makes a few good points but no one will take him seriously due to his ex/current football hooligan attitude, and a large amount of his followers are people who have no clue about Islam and just want 'P*kis Out'.

 

[neil999]

tommy robinson is media savvy and talks well...there was a documentary were robinson was shouting 'brevik' (the norwegian murderer) at people, ive no doubt hes a hateful, nasty individual

 

[Seamus Colemole]

There all good points, but sorry to sound ignorant, I'm really only arsed with what's going on over here and how it affects my country.

Sure, but what scotoffee has just done is show that some of the things you've said about Islam (how women are all treated bad in Islamic countries, how Muslims can't marry non Muslims etc ) are not actually true.
That's not you being worried about the country you live in, that's you being wrong and worrying about what goes in other countries even though you say you're only worried about your so called own.

 

[DrEFC]

The best advice I could give is to grow up, see the world, then see if you feel the same. I know it sounds condescending, but I think a lot differently to how I did in my early-mid 20's, comparing how I feel about religion, strongly religious countries, peoples lifestyle choices, to now. I was certainly very anti-religion (it is still very divisive), possibly mildly homophobic, and anti-immigration when younger. Plus I was pretty disenchanted with UK society in general, and felt the goverment didn't represent me or where I'm from at all.

 

[steken1]

lots of people are proud of their religion, both make little logical sense when you really analyse them, I'm not saying anyone should be ashamed if they show pride in the right way, the same as someone practising religion in the right way. Just that both can be equally divisive and a source of hatred. I don't see how people can say abolish religion it cause hatred, then think that patriotism is their right to have and hold

How do they make little logical sense? It's entirely normal and a part of human nature.

 

[EFCNIK]

tommy robinson is media savvy and talks well...there was a documentary were robinson was shouting 'brevik' (the norwegian murderer) at people, ive no doubt hes a hateful, nasty individual

He wasn't shouting anything at anyone. He said 'ribbit' because he had goggles on like the crazy frog as stupid as it sounds. He wasn't shouting Breivik at all although the media for a while said he did then realised that's not what he had said.

And if you think that was the main talking point of that particular documentary then you are absolutely 100pc part of the problem.

 

[steken1]

Few Points - From someone that currently lives in the Middle East and has done on-and-off since 1989

1. It's Ramadan, but a large number of cafes & restaurants are still open and all the regular places are still operating their home delivery all day long - clearly we've influenced their society to a fairly major extent to get the govt to allow this... Wonder if there's a forum somewhere with people complaining about how we're here to take over their country?!...
2. I have a fair few Muslim mates that have married non-Muslims and nobody's been forced to convert - they have to take a seminar so as to have a better appreciation and understanding of Islam, that's all.
3. I used to date a Yemeni girl and her folks were totally fine with me - her old man was a Utd fan, but never mind.
4. A Christian mate of mine just married an Iranian girl, again, no conversion or anything, kept it all secular and everyone including her highly religious extended family were more than happy.
5. We've all been eating halal food for ages, its the same as Kosher but nobody seems to be harassing the Jews about forcing us to eat it their way long before the Muslims came along and everyone started making a ****storm out of it
6. In the UAE, as well as in Oman, Malaysia, Qatar, Indonesia and basically anywhere that isn't Saudi or Pakistan, women are treated no worse than in Christian dominated countries
7. People complain about protecting Imams - How many more thousands of Catholic paedophiles are covered up by the Vatican and/or the UK, US, or other Govt?
8. Here in the UAE we have both Sharia and Civil court for non-Muslims - so they can again work both ways, but everyone in the UK expects Muslims to sit there and swear on the Bible to tell the truth and all that...

People need to get their facts straight and look at life from the other side a little more.

How did you end up living and working over there lid?

Genuinely interests me other cultures and how we fit into them!!!

 

[EFCNIK]

And whoever talked about Islam being moderate and tolerant in other countries except saudi arabia and pakistan... Well you can guess where the majority of the ideas that creep into our society come from.

 

[Walken]

How do they make little logical sense? It's entirely normal and a part of human nature.

There are lots of things that are considered normal that don't make any real logical sense, obsession with celebrity, spending more money on clothes because of the label. When you actually look at these things there is no real sense to them, that's not to say there isn't a reason, or its not considered normal. Not really the point I was trying to make about some supporting the EDL but saying we'd be better off without religion, but just an opinion on patriotism

 

[Craig]

Has anyone ever banged a Muslim girl and how was it?

Loads of them. Get yourself down to Kuala Lumpur or Jakarta. They're all bang at it.

 

[EvertruvianMan]

People arnt afraid of hinduism or sikhism or buddhism.

Islam is very different.

Why is that?

Is it because those others you mention have never been front page news of the Daily Mail? Or been cast as pariahs by the BNP? Or because certain elements were supplied with arms to fight a covert war with the Soviets and when that finished and the money dried up said arms were turned on those that supplied them?

 

[EFCNIK]

Is it because those others you mention have never been front page news of the Daily Mail? Or been cast as pariahs by the BNP? Or because certain elements were supplied with arms to fight a covert war with the Soviets and when that finished and the money dried up said arms were turned on those that supplied them?

No mate. Because none of them try and impose themselves on the rest of us, quite happily and peacefully getting on with their beliefs. Islam is anything but quiet and peaceful. Oh and don't seem to remember anyone bombing our tube station and buses and beheading a soldier on the street in the name of Vishnu.

 

[EvertruvianMan]

I HATE

Yep, that right there. Thats the problem. Your Problem.