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Relegation 2022/23

Are Everton going to stay in the Premier League?

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Thanks - re breaking even this year I'm taking the word of Esk who projects we will turn a profit this season. Not sure he knows as much as he thinks he does but he knows more than me! Basically all my other calculations are projected from a break even number this season, and what we would need to do to maintain that next season bearing in mind the loss of revenue.

Obviously the more we can get off the wage bill the better as it would allow us to invest in better value players. My calculation was just that it needn't be done in an absolute panic. My point was just that unlike years past we are not stuck with as many high earners and that most (not all) of our biggest earners are either leaving anyway (Mina, Doucoure) or have a good prospect of resale (Onana, Iwobi Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Tarkowski)- the Gylfis, Bernards and Tosuns of this world are mostly gone. Certainly some problems remain (rehoming the three returning loanees mainly) but if my calculations are right we could absorb a reasonably high wage bill for the first year at least.

I know the salary sites are unreliable but using Capology's numbers they estimate 80m a year and 7 players - Doucoure, Iwobi, Mina, Onana, Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Tarkowski and PIckford account for almost exactly half of that, before even moving on to the likes of Keane and Gueye. Those numbers may be inaccurate but as long as they are roughly in the right proportion that means we can more or less half the playing squad's wage bill by losing two who are out of contract anyway and 5 who would attract buyers without too much problem. Even if we only shipped 5 or 6 of those it's a huge dent. And you have to bear in mind that while Championship revenue is greatly reduced, with a parachute payment they're still pretty decent, and we will almost certainly have the highest revenue in the league.

I take your point on parachute payment but I still think we’ll do well to be only around £100m down before we start . So making that up is going to be a task . I think we probably will have the highest revenue but frankly we’ll have the highest outlay to match it and the highest championship income is relative isn’t it ?


Personally I don’t think you’ll find anyone paying a fee and matching gueye or Iwobi , tarkowski was worth his money to us on a free . I think he’ll be a Hard sell at those wages with a contract in front of him . Keane I think we’d shift but I wouldn’t expect to be banking much .

I’ve actually seen varying wages , specifically for McNeill and maupay but those McNeill wages seem more reasonable. You’d probably sell him for that to be honest but maupay could be significantly more challenging. I happen to know personally there are a couple of youngsters on pretty significant wages (relatively speaking ), wages that’d put them right amongst the mid earners at a few championship clubs and they’ve never featured .

If you’re moving what 8/10 players out including contracts then who are we going to replace them with ? We’ve not got much in terms of youth and rebuilding would cost .

I can see the point in your argument and I’d love you to be right , I just feel we’re hugely exposed.
 
I take your point on parachute payment but I still think we’ll do well to be only around £100m down before we start . So making that up is going to be a task . I think we probably will have the highest revenue but frankly we’ll have the highest outlay to match it and the highest championship income is relative isn’t it ?


Personally I don’t think you’ll find anyone paying a fee and matching gueye or Iwobi , tarkowski was worth his money to us on a free . I think he’ll be a Hard sell at those wages with a contract in front of him . Keane I think we’d shift but I wouldn’t expect to be banking much .

I’ve actually seen varying wages , specifically for McNeill and maupay but those McNeill wages seem more reasonable. You’d probably sell him for that to be honest but maupay could be significantly more challenging. I happen to know personally there are a couple of youngsters on pretty significant wages (relatively speaking ), wages that’d put them right amongst the mid earners at a few championship clubs and they’ve never featured .

If you’re moving what 8/10 players out including contracts then who are we going to replace them with ? We’ve not got much in terms of youth and rebuilding would cost .

I can see the point in your argument and I’d love you to be right , I just feel we’re hugely exposed.
I think we'd have to pull a forest in championship and truly earn the everloan moniker we previously held.
 
Thanks - re breaking even this year I'm taking the word of Esk who projects we will turn a profit this season. Not sure he knows as much as he thinks he does but he knows more than me! Basically all my other calculations are projected from a break even number this season, and what we would need to do to maintain that next season bearing in mind the loss of revenue.

Obviously the more we can get off the wage bill the better as it would allow us to invest in better value players. My calculation was just that it needn't be done in an absolute panic. My point was just that unlike years past we are not stuck with as many high earners and that most (not all) of our biggest earners are either leaving anyway (Mina, Doucoure) or have a good prospect of resale (Onana, Iwobi Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Tarkowski)- the Gylfis, Bernards and Tosuns of this world are mostly gone. Certainly some problems remain (rehoming the three returning loanees mainly) but if my calculations are right we could absorb a reasonably high wage bill for the first year at least.

I know the salary sites are unreliable but using Capology's numbers they estimate 80m a year and 7 players - Doucoure, Iwobi, Mina, Onana, Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Tarkowski and PIckford account for almost exactly half of that, before even moving on to the likes of Keane and Gueye. Those numbers may be inaccurate but as long as they are roughly in the right proportion that means we can more or less half the playing squad's wage bill by losing two who are out of contract anyway and 5 who would attract buyers without too much problem. Even if we only shipped 5 or 6 of those it's a huge dent. And you have to bear in mind that while Championship revenue is greatly reduced, with a parachute payment they're still pretty decent, and we will almost certainly have the highest revenue in the league.

Great analysis, thank you for that. If we go down, I understand we'd have to lose the high wage earners, it would just be such a blow to have to sell Onana who has so much up side and at 21 is the type of player we should be building around. On a somewhat unrelated note, I was happy we didn't sell Branthwaite, another player I would think we would want to build around once we clear the high wage earners and deadwood.
 
Great analysis, thank you for that. If we go down, I understand we'd have to lose the high wage earners, it would just be such a blow to have to sell Onana who has so much up side and at 21 is the type of player we should be building around. On a somewhat unrelated note, I was happy we didn't sell Branthwaite, another player I would think we would want to build around once we clear the high wage earners and deadwood.
To be honest I fear Onana will go either way, he seems to me to be a guy who has a very clear plan to get to the top, a year in France, a year here then off to a top 6 club, and the fact Chelsea and Arsenal were sniffing already tells you it's going according to that plan. But if he has a strong end to the season and hopefully helps keep us up there's a pretty good profit in it for us. I agree about Branthwaite, he's going to be a big player for us, especially if the worst happens this season, he'll be more than ready for that level.
 
Can you imagine him giving the same advice if he was looking at a £1m sweetener for him and tripling his clients wages ? We’re a car crash and I don’t blame anyone for avoiding us but the idea that everyone is steering clear of us for these reasons alone and to the detriment of their own financial well-being feels like a nice little narrative and a fair amount of BS.

100%

Was alluded to on the spaces last night that the £45mill Gordon fee plus how desperate we were drove fees up. Add the fact it's a rudderless operation, a lot of "what's in it for me and my client?" was proposed.

Put the structure of the deals, the type of player, the time...it's was a perfect storm of failure.

The idea some biffs ran after Gordon stopped us from signing anyone is ridiculous.

Roma signed a player...will sign players in the future...their fans turned up and wrote abuse outside Zaniolo's house.
 

We need scooby.
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Dyche needs 22-25 points from 18 games...... really dont think he will get that.....

I'm not trying to bw awkward, but theres no way you need 40 points to survive.

35 will likely be sufficient. In some recent years 28 points has done it. Theres a lot of poor teams about.

If we get 35, with our decent goal difference we stay up 70% of the time.

That requires us to win 5, draw 5.
 

Most teams draw about 1/3 of games. If we win 3 and get 6 draws its 15 points. We would almost certainly be down with that, unless something odd happens. Get 4 wins, and we may stay up.

The worry for me, is we just collapse entirely.

I think 1 win in however many games is already a collapse. The worry is any new manager bounce has been thwarted by that window and the general civil war taking place.
 
We certainly can't play our way out of trouble.

It has to be fight for every ball for 90 minutes every game.

Do we have the players to do it?
 
We certainly can't play our way out of trouble.

It has to be fight for every ball for 90 minutes every game.

Do we have the players to do it?
Training video from today showed them having to do the bleep test so he is clearly wanting to get their fitness levels up for the run in. Dyche won't go down without a fight and he won't let the players either.
 

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