Relegation 2022/23

[Ruairi77]

quick question on the championship.
Do we really need to sell the high earners?
Is there some sort of championship FFP?
Could we just take the money we banked on gordon and put it toward plugging the gap between TV revenue from the PL to the championship.
We'd have Gordon money and a parachute payment.
I'd imagine Onana and Pickford would be gone but other than that, there must be a chance of keeping every other player if they're wanted.

 

[Ruairi77]

Thought myself earlier that it would be West Ham that get sucked in. Not that they are clear in any sense. Let's hope so.

I don't see Leicester, Wolves, or Palace being in any danger ultimately. But you never know.

That leaves the current bottom three + W Ham, Forest, and Leeds. I think Forest might do enough also. Leeds firmly in it as we know so on that basis, W Ham are in it also. Their form has been worse than ours.

I think the bottom 3 plus leeds, forest, leicester, w ham, wolves and palace will be all in the mix right up to the last 4 games.
I can see wolves getting to safety first. Hopefully they're safe by the time we play them.
I actually think forest will be ok but the others will all be in the mix.

 

[Tilling]

Do we really need to sell the high earners?
Is there some sort of championship FFP?
Could we just take the money we banked on gordon and put it toward plugging the gap between TV revenue from the PL to the championship.
We'd have Gordon money and a parachute payment.
I'd imagine Onana and Pickford would be gone but other than that, there must be a chance of keeping every other player if they're wanted.

(1) Yes, we would, we make an astonishingly high loss even for PL clubs, we need to sell the high earners regardless of whether we go down;
(2) Yes there is, its far stricter and arguably more robust in terms of punishing non-compliant clubs;
(3) We will have to do this and it wont cover the majority of that gap even with the parachute payments (which is paid out in thirds, not all in one go);
(4) Yes, Onana and Pickford would be moved on to cover the aforementioned gap - we'd also have to move on the likes of Gomes, Mina, Keane, Iwobi, Doucoure, Gana, Alli, Gbamin all on massive wages. Academy players would need to fill a big chunk of the squad, some will see that as a positive (Dobbin, Warrington, Simms, Welch, Price, Cannon all look good) but I'm not sure most appreciate that the standard is not that big a drop from bottom 8 Prem clubs to top 10 Championship clubs, most would not make the cut

So err, yeah, try not to think about the financials until we're categorically staying up or going down

 

[GraemeS1980]

quick question on the championship.
Do we really need to sell the high earners?
Is there some sort of championship FFP?
Could we just take the money we banked on gordon and put it toward plugging the gap between TV revenue from the PL to the championship.
We'd have Gordon money and a parachute payment.
I'd imagine Onana and Pickford would be gone but other than that, there must be a chance of keeping every other player if they're wanted.

There is the parachute payments that I believe pay out every three seasons, it is common for the majority of Premier League players to have a stipulation in their contracts that their wages will reduce by 45% if relegated.

It was rumoured that the majority of Everton players do not have a relegation clause, they do in relation to the majority having the 45% reduction however when it comes to that they have a guarantee of leaving that is not the case. For example Pickford's new contract doesnt have a relegation release clause which is probably true the reason being is that if there was Everton would have to compensate him, if they go down without the clause then Pickford would have to put in a formal transfer request if he wished to leave and thus forfeiting any compensation. I am not sure if I have explained that properly?

 

[Jebus_lives]

We needed to hold them off for another 5 minutes or so. Once you see 80 odd minutes on the clock the panic sets in for a team chasing a game.

I thought we needed fresh legs around 70 minute mark. We couldn't retain the ball, so we needed to up our energy. Likewise I thought Maupay would've added some snide up top in what was already a scrappy game.

 

[Wat Tyler]

Would be nice if someone like Leicester or West Ham panicked and pulled the trigger on their managers

 

[Colonel Getafe]

Would be nice if someone like Leicester or West Ham panicked and pulled the trigger on their managers

Would be just our luck if West Ham boot Moyes, replace him with Benitez and he pulls half a dozen wins out the bag to send us down. Bet he'd love that.

 

[Colonel Getafe]

quick question on the championship.
Do we really need to sell the high earners?
Is there some sort of championship FFP?
Could we just take the money we banked on gordon and put it toward plugging the gap between TV revenue from the PL to the championship.
We'd have Gordon money and a parachute payment.
I'd imagine Onana and Pickford would be gone but other than that, there must be a chance of keeping every other player if they're wanted.

Yeah we'd definitely need to sell the high earners. Our wage bill is about 8th highest in the richest league in the world, no way we could accomodate that if there's no +£100m tv money coming in.

If the Gordon money hasn't already been funnelled into the stadium construction costs it's probably been set aside to 'plug the gap' to some degree. As for who could be kept, who knows. Some of the players will have want to stay in the Prem and ask for moves, others may be on too good a wage and stay put if they can leave on a free a year later.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

(1) Yes, we would, we make an astonishingly high loss even for PL clubs, we need to sell the high earners regardless of whether we go down;
(2) Yes there is, its far stricter and arguably more robust in terms of punishing non-compliant clubs;
(3) We will have to do this and it wont cover the majority of that gap even with the parachute payments (which is paid out in thirds, not all in one go);
(4) Yes, Onana and Pickford would be moved on to cover the aforementioned gap - we'd also have to move on the likes of Gomes, Mina, Keane, Iwobi, Doucoure, Gana, Alli, Gbamin all on massive wages. Academy players would need to fill a big chunk of the squad, some will see that as a positive (Dobbin, Warrington, Simms, Welch, Price, Cannon all look good) but I'm not sure most appreciate that the standard is not that big a drop from bottom 8 Prem clubs to top 10 Championship clubs, most would not make the cut

So err, yeah, try not to think about the financials until we're categorically staying up or going down

You’re exaggerating some of this I think. Yes there is a massive revenue shortfall (100m plus) which sounds scary but there’s a 45m year one parachute payment, we are owed 25m for Moise Kean, and would likely bank about 70m from the sales of Pickford and Onana. Those two departures as well as Doucoure and Mina out of contract also represent about 20m a year in wages. All of which more than covers the revenue drop- although it would of course be prudent to ship out other high earning players, but it needn’t be a complete fire sale.

The key question is where our finances currently sit which is hard to know when we don’t know results for 21/22 yet, but I’ve seen Esk project with the Gordon sale we could be close to break even this season which would be a significant help when it comes to FFP, whichever division we end up in.

 

[Gilbert..]

Would be nice if someone like Leicester or West Ham panicked and pulled the trigger on their managers

Dont want any new manager bounce.
Leave them where they are.

 

[MikeH72]

We're not a team of superstars. But we do have numbers and they are around the same quality in midfield and defence (Tarkowski aside). That's the point: we can slot in similar quality players and remain competitive.

So what you’re saying is we can replace very bad players with other very bad players? It’s certainly a depth of sorts.

 

[blue to the bone]

I said a fortnight ago that one of Palace, Leicester and West Ham are in a fight but they don't know it yet.

I see nothing that dissuades me on that.
Take us out the equation and West Ham have only beaten Forest since October.

West ham have known they are in this with quite a while .

 

[SussexToffee1980]

This isn't good, two winning positions thrown away and two points dropped.

When I went through a list of our remaining fixtures, I pencilled this one in as a must win, so i'm starting to get a bit even more worried now.

 

[COYBL25]

West ham have known they are in this with quite a while .

From what I’m reading, the West Ham fans want Moyes gone, but the board are sticking with him.

Mind you, some of the loons on their forums, would give ours on here, a good run for their money.

 

[Colonel Getafe]

Decent, yes. Enough? Not in our position. That's my argument: we have underachieved so spectacularly that we must now overachieve to compensate. So, while you are right - in the course of a normal season - that a draw at Forest is a reasonable result, it is not enough this season given our plight. That's not to say we cannot make up those two lost points. It's simply to say that we are running out of opportunities to do that and yesterday is a disappointing result given the context and the fact we led twice (including with 13 minutes to go).

Well put. The amount of games/points we've thrown away this season to teams around us means that at some point we may very well need to go and beat a United or Newcastle or City just to balance out missed opportunities and stay in the mix. Not a good situation to put yourself in.