Relegation

[MrGrumpy]

I don‘t believe we will go down, still plenty of chance to stay up and it is in our hands.

I think recently promoted teams that are relegated obviously have a better chance to adapt to the championship. They retain most of the players that did well in it the previous season, they normally don’t have the crazy overheads that premiership clubs have. If we did go down I’m not sure we would come back up so quickly, our whole club is based on the premiership/TV money. Many players we have are on crazy wages, they’d have to go or bankrupt us.

We might eventually come back like a phoenix from the flames with a team of players that want to fight for the badge, that dont think flopping around on the floor is football and that dont see playing for us as their second job.

Forget the new stadium too, while many say the finance is in place, the money is there. What about the repayments? We couldn’t afford to pay it off, who is paying top prices for season tickets for the championship, who is paying top prices for hospitality.

Relegation is not a chance for a reset for me, it’s the end. Which is why we must fight for every point.

Stadium is passed the point of no return it’s happening

 

[paultheblue]

I'm lucky not being able to relate to that. I've seen us win titles, cups and a European trophy.

Mate if you are trying to cheer him up I don't think it's working

 

[paultheblue]

We spent enough money over the last 7 years to do a lot more than compete, this is our fault.

It's not our fault mate, this is purely down to Kenwright and Moshiri there is a difference

 

[Mr K.Dilkington]

It's not our fault mate, this is purely down to Kenwright and Moshiri there is a difference

"Our" being the club's. Collective we. A bit of it is our fault too though, we allowed Kenwright the luxury of getting away with murder for all these years, said "its not our money" when Mosh funded all these overpriced signings.

 

[Papa Shango]

"Our" being the club's. Collective we. A bit of it is our fault too though, we allowed Kenwright the luxury of getting away with murder for all these years, said "its not our money" when Mosh funded all these overpriced signings.

Kenwright ran us within our means. People moaned and moaned about it demanding we spend money we didn't have so we bring in Moshiri who then goes on to display exactly why we shouldn't have been spending loads of money in the first place.

 

[Gordon Lee's Cushion]

Stadium is passed the point of no return it’s happening

If we go down how do we pay for it? If you’ve walked around the city you will see that no construction site is past the point of no return.

 

[Mr K.Dilkington]

Kenwright ran us within our means. People moaned and moaned about it demanding we spend money we didn't have so we bring in Moshiri who then goes on to display exactly why we shouldn't have been spending loads of money in the first place.

And sold us to Moshiri when he's number 1 job was to be the best custodian of our club he could be, but that's for another thread.

 

[polish]

We spent enough money over the last 7 years to do a lot more than compete, this is our fault.

Even if we were succesfull in that regard that wouldnt mean we'd compete with those super clubs. The gap is getting bigger and bigger every year and we will never be able to catch them.

Net spend doesnt matter much, its the wages that are game changer.

How football became broken beyond repair

The game is going through an unprecedented period of financial and competitive imbalance. Miguel Delaney investigates how we got here and – crucially – whether the dominance of the mega-rich is here to stay

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Mr K.Dilkington]

Even if we were succesfull in that regard that wouldnt mean we'd compete with those super clubs. The gap is getting bigger and bigger every year and we will never be able to catch them.

Net spend doesnt matter much, its the wages that are game changer.

How football became broken beyond repair

The game is going through an unprecedented period of financial and competitive imbalance. Miguel Delaney investigates how we got here and – crucially – whether the dominance of the mega-rich is here to stay

www.independent.co.uk

I didn't say compete with Liverpool, United, Real Madrid etc, I said compete in our league. Europa, Champions League qualification, an FA Cup even. Hell even right now I'd take mid effin table. We spend a fortune on wages for poor players.

Finances are not the reason we're 18th.

 

[Ron Swanson]

I don't want to be in the championship next year and I don't think we will be, but if we are, we have to see the positives. A chance to clear out the dross and build an actual team. I'm not convinced on Lampard (I've just seen nothing in his career so far that shows he's anywhere near the potential for greatness), but I would bet on him to have us up again in one season.

Weekend hasn't phased me. We lost, as I expected we would. But we lost with heart, structure and discipline. This season we've been conned out of points by refs against City and Liverpool. No team that runs them close belongs in the Championship.

 

[nsno-chris]

Even if we were succesfull in that regard that wouldnt mean we'd compete with those super clubs. The gap is getting bigger and bigger every year and we will never be able to catch them.

Net spend doesnt matter much, its the wages that are game changer.

How football became broken beyond repair

The game is going through an unprecedented period of financial and competitive imbalance. Miguel Delaney investigates how we got here and – crucially – whether the dominance of the mega-rich is here to stay

www.independent.co.uk

A well run club with a long term plan can achieve a position where they are in a place to be challenging for the top 4, especially with the money we’ve spent.

Moshiri has just thought money = success

 

[paultheblue]

Kenwright ran us within our means. People moaned and moaned about it demanding we spend money we didn't have so we bring in Moshiri who then goes on to display exactly why we shouldn't have been spending loads of money in the first place.

Kenwright is main reason we are in this mess. He should have sold the club long ago but his priority was self interest he couldn't let go.
He only was interested in a buyer who was willing to let him continue to run the club.
The first red flag for Moshiri was when he retained Kenwright I was a bit concerned about that at the time but looking past that none of us were to know how clueless Moshiri would turn out to be when it came to running a football club.
If we are to survive this season Moshiri needs to either sell up or if he stays he must get rid of Kenwright and all his yes men.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I don't want to be in the championship next year and I don't think we will be, but if we are, we have to see the positives. A chance to clear out the dross and build an actual team. I'm not convinced on Lampard (I've just seen nothing in his career so far that shows he's anywhere near the potential for greatness), but I would bet on him to have us up again in one season.

Weekend hasn't phased me. We lost, as I expected we would. But we lost with heart, structure and discipline. This season we've been conned out of points by refs against City and Liverpool. No team that runs them close belongs in the Championship.

But does a team that loses 5-2 at home to Watford? Or a team who loses to Norwich, Burnley, Brighton, Southampton, Villa x 2, Palace x 2, Brentford and QPR?

Bad luck yes, bad decisions yes, but we deserve to be where we are.

 

[brieverton]

Beginning to get people at work now either afraid to approach me at all, or doing so reluctantly as if there has been a death in the family. It's all hushed tones and talking in corners.

I appreciate peoples sensitivity on one side, but am actually annoyed on the other that many people make the automatic assumption that my life consists solely of breathing, eating, and sleeping all things Everton. Misery loves company, I'm not indulging it.

I am certainly sad, melancholic, and a little forlorn at the situation but 1) We aren't down yet and 2) Yes, I have other things going on in my life, thank you very much.

 

[Ron Swanson]

But does a team that loses 5-2 at home to Watford? Or a team who loses to Norwich, Burnley, Brighton, Southampton, Villa x 2, Palace x 2, Brentford and QPR?

Bad luck yes, bad decisions yes, but we deserve to be where we are.

I get you, but it's fine margins. Two points against the two where we were robbed by the ref and we're level on points with Burnley and have a game in hand. I'm not saying we deserve to be mid-table - we've been awful - but we don't belong in the bottom 3.