Relegation

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

I don't want to be in the championship next year and I don't think we will be, but if we are, we have to see the positives. A chance to clear out the dross and build an actual team. I'm not convinced on Lampard (I've just seen nothing in his career so far that shows he's anywhere near the potential for greatness), but I would bet on him to have us up again in one season.

Weekend hasn't phased me. We lost, as I expected we would. But we lost with heart, structure and discipline. This season we've been conned out of points by refs against City and Liverpool. No team that runs them close belongs in the Championship.

Who would want to sign “dross” players who are on massive money? And why would those dross players leave and take a pay-cut just to help us out? And how do you build a team when you have close to no revenue?

The rest of your post is spot on, though.

 

[sbbefc]

We spent enough money over the last 7 years to do a lot more than compete, this is our fault.

I think realistically we've spent enough to finish 8-6. So we shouldn't be anywhere near the position we find ourselves. But the system is heavily rigged in the favour of the money clubs (RS, United etc). FFP won't affect them in the same way it would affect us or another team of similar standing to us. Haven't they also just changed the rules of the Champions League so that seeding and draws are heavily in favour of those clubs that have done well in it even in the distant past? VAR.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I get you, but it's fine margins. Two points against the two where we were robbed by the ref and we're level on points with Burnley and have a game in hand. I'm not saying we deserve to be mid-table - we've been awful - but we don't belong in the bottom 3.

If we don't belong in the bottom 3 then these players will go out and find the 3 wins they need. I just don't see it happenning. They lack conviction, and they lack quality. We are terrible in both boxes and that generally results in relegation.

 

[Papa Shango]

Kenwright is main reason we are in this mess. He should have sold the club long ago but his priority was self interest he couldn't let go.
He only was interested in a buyer who was willing to let him continue to run the club.
The first red flag for Moshiri was when he retained Kenwright I was a bit concerned about that at the time but looking past that none of us were to know how clueless Moshiri would turn out to be when it came to running a football club.
If we are to survive this season Moshiri needs to either sell up or if he stays he must get rid of Kenwright and all his yes men.

He is not the main reason at all and it absolutely baffles me how people think that.

It is all on Moshiri. He owns the club, he chooses if Kenwright or whoever stays.

The buck stops with the owner.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Who would want to sign “dross” players who are on massive money? And why would they leave and take a pay-cut just to help us out?

The only thing we can hope for is that the embarassment of being a championship player is too much for some of them and they push for a move. I could see it happen to be honest, because lots of these players have delusions of grandeur. You just have to listen to the recent chat about England call ups to see they aren't in the real world

 

[ToffeeTim]

Kenwright is main reason we are in this mess. He should have sold the club long ago but his priority was self interest he couldn't let go.
He only was interested in a buyer who was willing to let him continue to run the club.
The first red flag for Moshiri was when he retained Kenwright I was a bit concerned about that at the time but looking past that none of us were to know how clueless Moshiri would turn out to be when it came to running a football club.
If we are to survive this season Moshiri needs to either sell up or if he stays he must get rid of Kenwright and all his yes men.

Moshiri owns the club. Everything that happens is ultimately his responsibility. He could get a new chairman and add new board members tomorrow, if he wanted. Responsibility rests where the control is held.

 

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

The only thing we can hope for is that the embarassment of being a championship player is too much for some of them and they push for a move. I could see it happen to be honest, because lots of these players have delusions of grandeur. You just have to listen to the recent chat about England call ups to see they aren't in the real world

I think you could well be right fella.

What’s the chat about England call ups that you refer to, out of interest?

 

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

I get you, but it's fine margins. Two points against the two where we were robbed by the ref and we're level on points with Burnley and have a game in hand. I'm not saying we deserve to be mid-table - we've been awful - but we don't belong in the bottom 3.

Good point. Southampton was another game in which we were robbed.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I think you could well be right fella.

What’s the chat about England call ups that you refer to, out of interest?

Holgate mentioned it a few weeks ago

Mason Holgate exclusive interview: Everton defender explains why Frank Lampard has him believing again

Watch West Ham vs Everton on Sunday, live on Sky Sports Premier League, from 1pm; kick-off 2pm; Mason Holgate tells Sky Sports why he is so confident Everton can stay up, how Frank Lampard has lifted the squad since his arrival and why there is nothing to fear against West Ham

www.skysports.com

 

[Papa Shango]

And sold us to Moshiri when he's number 1 job was to be the best custodian of our club he could be, but that's for another thread.

Well that's what happens when people demand we spend money that we haven't got.

The problem with Moshiri is that on the surface of it he isn't that bad. He puts his money in but when you look into it more he makes some utterly baffling decisions that you could not really predict until he was in the position to do so.

I don't think there is any metric to measure the likelihood of a football club owner racially abusing a players mum, employing a rival clubs legendary manager 10 years past his sell by date or being a bit weird on the Jim White show. Sadly these are things you don't learn about until they actually happen.

 

[Mr K.Dilkington]

I think realistically we've spent enough to finish 8-6. So we shouldn't be anywhere near the position we find ourselves. But the system is heavily rigged in the favour of the money clubs (RS, United etc). FFP won't affect them in the same way it would affect us or another team of similar standing to us. Haven't they also just changed the rules of the Champions League so that seeding and draws are heavily in favour of those clubs that have done well in it even in the distant past? VAR.

Yeah, and with some quality and a bit of luck, 5th or even 4th would be the goals, 6-8th should be the bare minimum.

 

[Mr K.Dilkington]

Well that's what happens when people demand we spend money that we haven't got.

The problem with Moshiri is that on the surface of it he isn't that bad. He puts his money in but when you look into it more he makes some utterly baffling decisions that you could not really predict until he was in the position to do so.

I don't think there is any metric to measure the likelihood of a football club owner racially abusing a players mum, employing a rival clubs legendary manager 10 years past his sell by date or being a bit weird on the Jim White show. Sadly these are things you don't learn about until they actually happen.

Kenwright turned down Man City's owners for this fraud. Sorry, on the surface doesn't cut it, it should be on the surface to you and me, to Kenwright it should be meticulously researched. End of the day he went with Mosh because he got to stay on as chairman, it's as simple as that. And if I'm wrong with that, he is still to blame for my first point.

 

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

Holgate mentioned it a few weeks ago

Mason Holgate exclusive interview: Everton defender explains why Frank Lampard has him believing again

Watch West Ham vs Everton on Sunday, live on Sky Sports Premier League, from 1pm; kick-off 2pm; Mason Holgate tells Sky Sports why he is so confident Everton can stay up, how Frank Lampard has lifted the squad since his arrival and why there is nothing to fear against West Ham

www.skysports.com

"I don't think the time is right now to think about England, I think next season or maybe the season after, when the club gets going, that's when I can start thinking about those things a bit more.”

Smacks of complacency, as if it’s a given that we’ll stay up.

 

[Thomasc]

Funnily enough, just been chatting to a Burnley fan who has bought a season ticket for next season as he thought they would be in the championship. Said he’s sick of the PL and what’s the point in being in it.

My accountant is also a Huddersfield fan, said exactly the same and would rather they didn’t go up.

 

[brieverton]

Funnily enough, just been chatting to a Burnley fan who has bought a season ticket for next season as he thought they would be in the championship. Said he’s sick of the PL and what’s the point in being in it.

My accountant is also a Huddersfield fan, said exactly the same and would rather they didn’t go up.

I can see that viewpoint.

We want to be competitive in the best league, and that should always be the aim for us.

If that isn't the case, then yes, its perhaps a respite to be out of it, but I guess there then comes the assumption that we are going to be able to compete in The Championship.

If relegation came with some guarantee that it would be temporary, then I guess we would all be less in a state but we just don't know what's going to happen for sure.