Remembering Moyes

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His legacy will differ from place to place:

In Holland he'll be remembered as the guy who never let alcoholic wingers have fun.

In Nigeria he'll be firmly hated at the passport office.

In Spain he won't be remembered.

In Manchester he'll be remembered fondly.

In Stretford, South Widnes, China, East Runcorn, and Azerbaijan he'll be remembered on a receipt: Banner x1; Aeroplane x1

In the Deansgate studio flat Phil Neville and Steve Round share he'll be remembered as the guy who sleeps on the couch.

In Apostolos Vellios' house he'll be remembered as Papa

At Everton he'll be remembered as the one before The One
 
allen said:
Once he's sacked by United, I think Evertonians will begin to soften towards him.

He didn't do his Goodison legacy any favours over the summer, but memories of that will fade when he's given the boot at Old Trafford. I'm already feeling sorry for him.

The truth of the matter is that he was exactly what we needed. He righted the ship in pretty much our darkest hour. He deserves our gratitude for that. He just didn't have what it took to continue our development - and you can't really blame a man for his limitations.
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This post has totally nailed it, especially the last bit.
Decent manager, great if you want survival and pragmatism, not so great if your dreams are loftier
 
Librarian said:
Joe Royal turned us around in about 6 months. Moyes got a Wayne Rooney sized leg-up and had the most secure job in football whilst the clubs around us ballsed it up sacking managers. Moyes got Everton to a fairly average standard of football and let others make mistakes. I'd agree it was the best strategy for about 5 years to get us away from the precipice. People have been conditioned to think that top ten is a miracle for Everton. Nobody says that when Villa, Newcastle or Spurs do well.

What is Moyes? A slightly above average manager who landed on his feet the day he walked into Goodison.
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Royal was better than Moyes
Kendall was better than Moyes
Neither of these things makes Moyes a bad manager, just the other 2 were superb.

Martinez got an equal Fellaini size leg up, so what? Doesn't make him any less of a manager does it?

Moyes was the man who built a quality team from the scraps of the big spending behemoths, and took that team of misfits, freebies and lucky dips, and shoved it in the leagues faces by being the first to break into the top 4, a feat that has been replicated by only two teams, Spurs and City and what did they do to acheive that? spend big, big money over a prolonged period.

Sure if you forget the team he inherrited, the relegation battles we were in previously, the one goal from going down x 2 of the decade before and the mindset instilled by that, the lack of money, that lack of quality and the impact of losing your best striker to United after both the player and the chairman had told the world and the players that he wouldn't be going, and you incorrectly assumed Moyes took over a team from the 80's, he was pretty average, poor in fact... but that is not the truth of the matter.

Look at it objectively and he did a great job and laid some very hard to build foundations for Martinez to take over and turn into the Everton we all love but maybe started to forget over these last 30 years.

What is Moyes? A great builder of great teams without the tactical nouse to utilitise them to their fullest, a manager who pulled us back from the brink of disaster and pushed us to the brink of success whilst not quite having the mental strength to push hard enough to acheive it.

Was 4th an acheivement? Of course it was, the domination of the big teams was absolute when Moyes did it, to ignore this shows a deep lack of genuine perspective, or a wilfully impossed ignorance. Someone else getting 4th wasn't even considered at the time, let alone us with our Blue and White Tecos value team.

ps Neither Villa, Newcastle or Spurs have done anything like as well as Moyes did over that time period so its kind of understandable that Moyes gets more praise, considering they spent a load more money and started with superior teams and fluked going above us once, whereas we beat them season after season I would say its completely obvious that Moyes and Everton were superior. Also finishing top 10 is not what we did, we had a series of results between 8th and 4th barring two poor seasons. So yeah again, why would you expect Villa to get praise if they finished 10th?

That's without mentioning that he bought Coleman which is an argument winner in its own right to be fair.
 
He was a man who should have been so much more.

As previously stated, he stabled the ship big time, he had an eye for a player and got an unreal team spirit in that camp.

But he was as tactically naive as he was brilliant in other departments of management, and this was his major downfall. A trophey should have been delivered by 2008, but his own negativity destroyed it
 

ROYLE - Joe Royle not Royal (although he is royalty in my eyes). :D

Moyes -- I am greatful to how he turned us from certain relegation into a solid, dangerous and hardworking unit. He did a marvellous job but the FA Cup final was his peak. He almost seemed to give up once Lescott through his toys out of the pram. I thought he should have walked after the Semi defeat in 2012. That 2nd half showing was as bad as any 45 mins I have seen in my life. Gutless surrendor against inferior, hated opposition.

I was totally disgusted with his comments since he has joined Man U. 'Sell them for the good of their careers' (Fellaini has come on a bomb hasn't he lol), I finally have a team to win at Anfield, beat Mourinho etc.
He has behaved very stupidly as Evertonians had a lot of time for him.
 
Of the ex-EFC managers since 84 I rank DM 3rd, behind Kendall Mk1 and Royle and just ahead of Harvey. Breathing down Joe's neck too, if he'd only pulled it off in 2009...

He left us a helluva lot better off than we were when he took over. FA Cup 1995 aside, we were in football hell for the decade before he arrived, accustomed to challenging for League and Cup honours with a team of top internationals but instead locked into a seasonal cycle of scrabbling against what seemed like inevitable relegation, with a team of run-of-the-mill journeymen and the odd 5-years-past-their-prime big name getting schooled by the likes of Chelsea, Leeds and Newc. A horror show that no Blue should ever have to go through - if that makes me sound badly like an arrogant entitled brat so be it.

Davie gave us our respect back, gave us Euro football, and laid a solid platform that we could build on.

His problem was that he seemed to promise so much more, but never took us further. He was lucky to get us to 4th and never got close again. Blamed the obvious lack of transfer funds, debatable today whether that would have made a significant difference as he tactically was risk-averse and has been found out badly by RM.

Grateful for what he did, as @Librarian said prob overstayed by 5 years, and haven't missed him for a second.
 
Lads, lets be serious here, he will be remembered for the 'People's club' comment. He will be remembered for coming in, and steadying the ship, before seeing us challenge closer to the top of the table. On top of this, he will be remembered for bottling the bigger occasions, which would have seen us cement our place with the big boys. I'm talking cup quarter,semi, and finals, derbies, and away games at the big 4. He was what was needed at the time for our club, but he did need to move on, and Roberto is a massive breath of fresh air, he is a man ready to see us push on and cement ourselves back up there. All in all, in terms of managerial appointments alone, Bill has played a blinder here really.
 
The semi v RS I remember watching in pub with Evertonians at Wembley and at final whistle, I wasnt disappointed as we deserved everything we got, 1 nil up v a poor RS team and sat back.

That was Moyes darkest day, Wigan we were simply outplayed
 

Ihaters said:
Royal was better than Moyes
Kendall was better than Moyes
Neither of these things makes Moyes a bad manager, just the other 2 were superb.

Martinez got an equal Fellaini size leg up, so what? Doesn't make him any less of a manager does it?

Moyes was the man who built a quality team from the scraps of the big spending behemoths, and took that team of misfits, freebies and lucky dips, and shoved it in the leagues faces by being the first to break into the top 4, a feat that has been replicated by only two teams, Spurs and City and what did they do to acheive that? spend big, big money over a prolonged period.

Sure if you forget the team he inherrited, the relegation battles we were in previously, the one goal from going down x 2 of the decade before and the mindset instilled by that, the lack of money, that lack of quality and the impact of losing your best striker to United after both the player and the chairman had told the world and the players that he wouldn't be going, and you incorrectly assumed Moyes took over a team from the 80's, he was pretty average, poor in fact... but that is not the truth of the matter.

Look at it objectively and he did a great job and laid some very hard to build foundations for Martinez to take over and turn into the Everton we all love but maybe started to forget over these last 30 years.

What is Moyes? A great builder of great teams without the tactical nouse to utilitise them to their fullest, a manager who pulled us back from the brink of disaster and pushed us to the brink of success whilst not quite having the mental strength to push hard enough to acheive it.

Was 4th an acheivement? Of course it was, the domination of the big teams was absolute when Moyes did it, to ignore this shows a deep lack of genuine perspective, or a wilfully impossed ignorance. Someone else getting 4th wasn't even considered at the time, let alone us with our Blue and White Tecos value team.

ps Neither Villa, Newcastle or Spurs have done anything like as well as Moyes did over that time period so its kind of understandable that Moyes gets more praise, considering they spent a load more money and started with superior teams and fluked going above us once, whereas we beat them season after season I would say its completely obvious that Moyes and Everton were superior. Also finishing top 10 is not what we did, we had a series of results between 8th and 4th barring two poor seasons. So yeah again, why would you expect Villa to get praise if they finished 10th?

That's without mentioning that he bought Coleman which is an argument winner in its own right to be fair.
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Well, Martinez hasn't even spent the Fellaini money yet.

I'd agree with a lot of what you say, Moyes was an above average manager and that was certainly enough when he arrived. as a club, in terms of potential, Everton were in a false position then and stability was required to move back up the table.

He was the right man for the job, then.

Equally, Everton was very good for him and he was very lucky in that respect. He got two things most managers crave, time and control.

He wouldn't have got 2 seasons out of Newcastle, Spurs or Villa. They wouldn't have tolerated his style or the half season syndrome his teams are prone to. They won't tolerate it at UTD either. Not saying sacking managers is the way to go, long may they continue with this as it plays into our hands. He'll likely find this out when he gets tossed by Man U and spends a season or two at one of the aforementioned.

Plenty of good managers have got the boot prematurely when a bit of time could have seen them right. Everton chose stability and that's a big part of Moyes 'success' and reputation.
 
Moyes did great to stabilise this club there is no question about that. My main gripe with the man was he was happy enough with that, labelled it as successful and was happy enough to stay at that level.

He lacked the ambition of what Martinez has. Moyes accepted his lot and decided and convinced everyone that it is impossible to compete with the big spenders. Martinez has come in and said its a disadvantage not having the finances but not impossible.

Belief is all around Everton now and us fans and players are actually believing having shaken off the negativity and the brain washing that it was impossible to compete. I am not saying Martinez will get us Champions League but we will have a better chance with his outlook on football than the knife to a gunfight outlook.
 
I think people are underestimating just how good Martinez is as a manager, here.

It's like since Martinez can do this, then why couldn't Moyes?

And the answer is because Martinez is an elite manager, one of the best in the world and Moyes was just quite good.

That doesn't mean Moyes is a terrible manager and that his achievements weren't somewhat imrpessive in themselves, cos they were. He is comfortably better than the majority of managers to have worked in the pl.

Just Martinez is the level above.
 
Allezfan said:
I think people are underestimating just how good Martinez is as a manager, here.

It's like since Martinez can do this, then why couldn't Moyes?

And the answer is because Martinez is an elite manager, one of the best in the world and Moyes was just quite good.

That doesn't mean Moyes is a terrible manager and that his achievements weren't somewhat imrpessive in themselves, cos they were. He is comfortably better than the majority of managers to have worked in the pl.

Just Martinez is the level above.
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What you say is perfectly true.

But for several years before he left we were given to understand that Moyes was indeed "an elite manager" and it was only the financial constraints at Everton which were stopping him proving it.

That's why he was parachuted into Manchester United when Ferguson retired.

We now see that for the errant twaddle it was.

Both here at Goodison and at Old Trafford.
 

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