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For me, he has until next December to turn it around, but if the football continues to be as poor as it has been over the past 18 months then he definitely needs to go.
 
Groucho said:
Really?

I am genuinely surprised.
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This list is from the 6/10, so he's the second longest serving manager.:eek:

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Dymak said:
For me, he has until next December to turn it around, but if the football continues to be as poor as it has been over the past 18 months then he definitely needs to go.
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The thing is the football isn't poor, going forward it is brilliant, as good as anyone else you care to mention. Trouble is the results. They're two different things.
Keep the manager until someone who can do a better job becomes available. Or else be careful what you wish for lads.
 
jal123 said:
The thing is the football isn't poor, going forward it is brilliant, as good as anyone else you care to mention. Trouble is the results. They're two different things.
Keep the manager until someone who can do a better job becomes available. Or else be careful what you wish for lads.
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There are two ends to a football pitch. Playing crazy, gung-ho football like Blackpool did is not good football, it's poor football, hence our slide down the league over the past 18 months, and hence Wigan's relegation.
 
He has given us a team with great players who are great to watch but is struggling to turn that into results.
Moyes created a team greater than its parts, Martinez is creating a team less than its parts.

We have blown our chance of top 4 this season, but he deserves the rest of the season to see what he can do to turn it around.
 

This isn't a dig at non going fans but for me as a season ticket holder I love seeing us play in such an attacking style. I sit their freezing me nuts off for half the season and then we have the end of season non event's to sit through.
I can understand all the frustration because results aren't good enough but im willing to give him more time.
One thing that's noticeable to me is a lot of our fans think we have the two best full backs in the league. We haven't. Maybe 2/3 years ago they were but they aren't anymore.
 
Chang Elephant said:
Thought some of DaveK's recent non Martinez posts had some validity i.e. that we were better defensively with Galloway & Browning.
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It saddens me to say it chang because they've both been such good players but I thought they were very poor last season and although coleman has improved slightly this season.hes not been good enough at either end of the pitch
 

Groucho said:
Really?

I am genuinely surprised.
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If you like that one check this one out: "Arsene Wenger’s 6,945 days in charge of Arsenal now longer than the other 19 bosses’ reigns put together." (as of October.) It's madness out there. I do see a lot of value in giving him some time I just wish he'd do something different quickly when things aren't working. Not that it's automatically good to change for the sake of change of course but he is SO slow to change I can't help but think it's too cautious.
 
davek said:
BTW, has there ever been an Everton manager who's had to endure a match by match referendum on his status as Everton manager almost since he's been here?

It gets through to the media and from them to the players and must be a nightmare to deal with each week unless there's a lull in it.

The feller's been treated like a red headed step child from day one and it's absolutely shameful.

@chicoazul 's jibe about an X-Factor generation at work is 100% bang on the money - trial by a million wannabe chairmen week in week out.

Get behind the man and his team...and give them the proper credit they deserve for playing the football they're trying to do. The players and manager are a credit to this club.
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Absolutely right. I think people need to calm down a bit. It is obvious that he is building a young attacking team. Give him a bit of time. I think the messaging will be very different internally and externally. Additionally you have to think that he knows he needs a new keeper, he just hasn't had the resources to do everything in one go. He has had to prioritise. Should we have skipped buying Rom and bought a keeper, everyone would be saying now, what have we one up front and can't score more than one goal a game. Don't be surprised if he brings in a keeper in January, or almost certainly in the summer.

Lastly I think all the young talented players are bought into his plan and even if things don't go great this year , they will be patient, they all have contracts. We have no need to sell unless it's on our terms.
 
Chang Elephant said:
Thought some of DaveK's recent non Martinez posts had some validity i.e. that we were better defensively with Galloway & Browning.
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Most teams are better defensively when they play 4 centrebacks and two holding mids. Moyes left undoubtedly the best full back pair in the league gifted in attack and defence. They are both far too good a players to take the blame for Martinez's joke defences. A bit like Stones. It's not the players. No doubt there's some convincing the masses we have one of the poorest squads in the league.!
 
Saint Domingo said:
Most teams are better defensively when they play 4 centrebacks and two holding mids. Moyes left undoubtedly the best full back pair in the league gifted in attack and defence. They are both far too good a players to take the blame for Martinez's joke defences. A bit like Stones. It's not the players. No doubt there's some convincing the masses we have one of the poorest squads in the league.!
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Yes but don't forget that you mean nearly 3 seasons on from that point and I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that agrees they are at that same level. To me Coleman's best season was Martinez's first so does he get the credit for that (I don't know who to credit for that)? I'm all for a frank assessment of what is happening but to me saying none of it is the players fault is as foolish as saying none of it is Martinez's fault.
 
Last year the football was poor and the results were poor. Lukaku had scored 5 goals

This season the results are still poor but we are seeing something being built and we are scoring goals. There is something there. For that alone keep him and see if he can strengthen us at the back
 

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