Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[BernieWright13]

We've passed the 70% mark

Scratches head and wonders where some people have been since December 2014

 

[gazefc]

The way in which he wants us to play is almost robotic, the same system, same way of playing.

Plan A is the only way playing, and even if it's not working it's because we're not executing the plan properly. In Martinez mindset that doesn't represent a requirement to change the method in his approach. The problem is, we have now become so robotic that there isn't any emotion within team performances. No passion or players getting up for games because we're always in this 'calm plan A will work mindset'.

 

[oldblue]

Where have they (the Echo) been criticised? They are rightly defending their article as it implies that their interpretation is in fact wrong or false.

All I've heard and read was an emphasis on Baines and his responsibility. "Leighton Baines knows he has to take responsibility for those words..."

"...and obviously for that he has apologised and taken responsibility for that for leaving those words open..."

"... we expect him to take responsibility, to make sure that we speak on the pitch and the way to do that is against Watford."

Again, if it was the Echo and other members of the press who've made the interpretation then the emphasis should have been on them.

Instead, the focus was on Leighton and his actions as I could see very little evidence that Martinez was instead aiming it at the press.

Baines may not want to put himself in the firing line, but if I were Leighton I don't think I'd be too pleased with Martinez's comments.

Therefore, if it were the press who were to blame then surely he'd want to clarify that.

I'm sorry but you've said that they weren't criticised and yet it was clear to them they were. Not sure I can work around that

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

Are albondigas what I think they are ?

...haha - 'meatballs'.

 

[tim cahill]

The poll needs to be reset surely? You're relying on people who voted Months ago to come back and change their vote? I'd say if the poll was restarted it'd be 90%+ now. Easily

Agree with this. This poll isn't a true reflection of the general mood towards Martinez at the moment.

 

[JAYTALITY]

There's a bigger percentage of Evertonians who voted Martinez out than there is ocean covering earth's land mass.

 

[PhilM]

I'm sorry but you've said that they weren't criticised and yet it was clear to them they were. Not sure I can work around that

They were not openly criticised in the article at any point, nor did Martinez openly refere to the fact it was they who were at fault.

I've quoted the article highlighting where he refers to responsibility of Baines. Can you quote where Martinez states the press are responsible?

But as a consequence of saying Baines left them open to misinterpretation, then therefore their eventual written interpretation will be wrong.

It's called cause and effect... Baines makes a mistake and press write about it. Baines doesn't say it in that way and they wouldn't write in error.

They are replying as they are defending the position that Baines is not at fault and hence their article is in fact a fair representation.

 

[Lee Smith]

Would you guys rather he said "we're playing rubbish, we have no chemistry, no self belief, don't know how to defend and nobody wants to take ownership. I'm going to forfeit the semi final because of this".

If you don't like it, don't read it, why get worked up over it and post insults.

No, I would rather he have said

"I can understand why Leighton would say that, everyone could see we were way below par against United on Sunday, as individuals and as a team. Performances and results are not going our way at the moment and the fans are rightly frustrated by what they are seeing on the pitch. It's my job as manager to do my best to correct that and to get us back to playing how we were in my first season here both performance wise and results wise. We have done well in the cups this season and have a very important game coming up at Wembley but that shouldn't be at the detriment to our league form which hasn't been anywhere near the level I nor the fans expect for a few months now".

But he didn't. Because I genuinely think he doesn't believe a word of what I just typed. Which is why there is a massive gulf between him and the majority of the fans at the moment.

 

[Groucho]

Would you guys rather he said "we're playing rubbish, we have no chemistry, no self belief, don't know how to defend and nobody wants to take ownership. I'm going to forfeit the semi final because of this".

If you don't like it, don't read it, why get worked up over it and post insults.

Certainly don't want to forfeit the semi.

But perhaps if he met the problems you list head on, maybe we'd improve?

Is he being honest with himself?

 

[lancs blue]

It could be argued he has lost the dressing room ovee the Baines incident. RM clearly aint on the same level as the fans ans players. Pllllleaaassssee go now

 

[bluewally]

They were not openly criticised in the article at any point, nor did Martinez openly refere to the fact it was they who were at fault.

I've quoted the article highlighting where he refers to responsibility of Baines. Can you quote where Martinez states the press are responsible?

But as a consequence of saying Baines left them open to misinterpretation, then therefore their eventual written interpretation will be wrong.

It's called cause and effect... Baines makes a mistake and press write about it. Baines doesn't say it in that way and they wouldn't write in error.

They are replying as they are defending the position that Baines is not at fault and hence their article is in fact a fair representation.

Martinez claimed baines was misquoted or taken out of context and is thus blaming the media.

They have published the full quotes to defend against this lie and show they quoted him exactly and completely

 

[oldblue]

They were not openly criticised in the article at any point, nor did Martinez openly refere to the fact it was they who were at fault.

I've quoted the article highlighting where he refers to responsibility of Baines. Can you quote where Martinez states the press are responsible?

But as a consequence of saying Baines left them open to misinterpretation, then therefore their eventual written interpretation will be wrong.

It's called cause and effect... Baines makes a mistake and press write about it. Baines doesn't say it in that way and they wouldn't write in error.

They are replying as they are defending the position that Baines is not at fault and hence their article is in fact a fair representation.

He's saying Baines has accepted the responsibilities he has as a player.
Reading the original interview I'd say that Baines is almost too considered in his replies which means the press can make up their own headlines. You almost have to talk in soundbites or they'll make their own up. If anything all he's being told to do is be more careful. And this has only emerged because the press pushed the matter further.
The press on the other hand are as close to being called liars as he probably can get. How do you think anyone would read 'taken out of context', 'misinterpreted' 'misquoted'.
I think it's fine to be anti Martinez but why make the press your ally. They'll be back to selling our players soon enough

 

[chippy1722]

He said in his press conference that "the hype surrounding our semi-final win has affected our league form", that is a good excuse for getting beaten after the semi-final. What has he got to say about our form prior to the cup semi.
He seems just to be saying words.

Did Wigan get relegated because he won fa cup?. Was last seasons failure because of Europa?. So in effect he's admitting he can't concentrate on more than thing. It's a good job he didn't get us into the CL he promised when joining otherwise we would be truly ......in trouble.......

 

[oldblue]

Martinez claimed baines was misquoted and thus blaming the media.

They have published the full quotes to defend against this lie and show they quoted him exactly.

The headlines and by lines did misquote him

 

[bluewally]

The headlines and by lines did misquote him

Headlines are generally a synopsis of the article designed to attract attention.

They may not have been exact quotes but I don't think they strayed too far from the spirit of the quotes.

Maybe bobby didn't read the full article