Nothing fickle anymore, 18 months of massive underachievement and constant repitition of the same errors. And a home record akin to a bottom three side.
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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)
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Nothing fickle anymore, 18 months of massive underachievement and constant repitition of the same errors. And a home record akin to a bottom three side.
balggy
Player Valuation: £5m
I don't think anyone has a clue what is on the cards.
The Everton job is one of the easiest in the league. There is virtually zero scrutiny of the managers position from the board. The only time they have ever acted was when we were facing relegation in 2002.
He knows it himself, that if the takeover goes through, things got a lot less cushy
Jags..class
Player Valuation: £70m
Hope you are right
Igrok
Player Valuation: £20m
The countdown clock already ticking...it will happen much earlier then u think...
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
Neatened that up for you buddy.
People can't accept we have a good manager because we haven't mate.
4 home wins in 10 months with this great squad is clueless management from the clueless clown.
Fans are scared because they think he will ruin us as he ruined wigan.
Top 1% here thinking hes better than everybody.
Thinking?
Blue Cheese
Mental Patient, GOT Ward
Dead inside, that's how I feel. Fed up.
Wat Tyler
Player Valuation: £70m
As my mate said to me yesterday after the match, we've got our best squad in 20 years, and Liverpool have their worst in 20 years and they'll still be going above us this weekend.
In fact, it's not even about them, there are a number of sides above us who have an inferior first eleven and an inferior squad. We haven't even had any major injury problems, and we can't keep blaming bad luck. The fact is, we have won 8 in 26 league games, that is simply not good enough.
In fact, it's not even about them, there are a number of sides above us who have an inferior first eleven and an inferior squad. We haven't even had any major injury problems, and we can't keep blaming bad luck. The fact is, we have won 8 in 26 league games, that is simply not good enough.
Are you plotter or cult?
Fearthainn
Player Valuation: £30m
We'll finish below Chelsea, nevermind the RS. That's how terrible we are
How do you measure how good a player is? Liverpool's wage bill will be far higher than ours (assuming wages set by 'experts' in football equate to their worth), doesn't that mean they have better players and a better squad? Just because we have our best squad in 20 years it doesn't automatically make it better than other squads around us in the league.
bluerobert
Player Valuation: £30m
The thing is your logic is sound but the fact is our squad on paper is easily a top 6/7 team.
Well spotted mate. I said it in plain English. Have a peanut.
Three seasons ago he ran up our best PL record. And all credit to him for that. He made incisive substitutions on a regular basis, showed no favouritism in his team selections and made very good use of the players available to him. He also made three brilliant moves in the loans market. He has generally since then done fairly well in the transfer market and strengthened the squad, but let's not pretend he's got EVERY move right: McGeady? Alcaraz? Kone? All poor moves. At least they haven't been big-money poor moves, but Alcaraz cost us several points last year all by himself.
When we play well under Martinez, we play very well indeed. Many instances spring to mind from last season, particularly in the two games against Wolfsburg. When everything clicks it is definitely the best football we've played since the mid-80s... but it doesn't click all that often. Too often in fact it goes badly wrong and the manager stubbornly refuses to make changes. It also somewhat misleading to refer to it as the best football we've played since the 80s, because the football we played in the 90's and early 00's was absolutely dire, for the most part.
We aren't a top eight team unless we regularly finish in the top eight. Your position in February does not automatically determine your position at the end of the season. The issue is the trend over time - under Martinez we started very well (looking and playing like a top six team throughout his first season, getting results in keeping with that and thus finishing in the top six) but have steadily got worse since then, evidenced by regular poor results against traditionally bottom-half teams and newly promoted teams, culminating in final league positions at a lower level. We've spent most of this season in the bottom half of the table, despite scoring more than almost every other club in the prem - some draw parallels between this scenario and the fate that befell Wigan not so long ago.... and they have a point.
What doomsday scenario is that? I have made no such statement, Captain Agenda. I've simply observed that the evidence from Roberto's tenure to date raises questions about his ability to get us competing for a CL spot - you, know, because we have most recently finished FURTHER away from those spots than we did before. It's a results-driven league Dave: you don't get moved up the table for playing "your best football since the 80s", you move up the table by WINNING. And we don't do enough WINNING.
That's YOUR bottom line. Here on planet Earth Martinez is not doing OK. Although he has got it right on several individual occasions, he seems unable to string a run of decent results together and appears particularly susceptible to tactical errors and stubbornness. The team is developing, but not as quickly as it should because of his favouritism being shown in his selection and substitution decisions.
The only thing you are right about is that this board won't sack him.
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