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Why is everyone calling Martinez a coconut?
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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)
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Why is everyone calling Martinez a coconut?
Ha ha have you seen his hair do.
I love the way he tries to separate the "away" fans from the "home" fans.
Those away fans celebrating and who were "right on board with Roberto" at Stoke were among the home fans fuming at Roberto after Swansea.
Martinez is the sort of man I would love to see being successful at Everton, he seems to be a good guy, wants to see attacking football, seems passionate about Everton. An all round nice man.
However results say otherwise. We may or may not have our best squad in decades, we certainty have a squad of players who should be winning at least half the games we play.
I would say we have a better squad than Leicester City, Ranieri has seen the limitations in the Leicester team and has decided that he needs to play a very simple form of football to get the best from them. Our problem, or Martinez' problem is that he is fixated on one way of playing and he won't or can't change.
Good managers can mould lesser players into a team and achieve limited success, Pullis for example. He has a rigid formation which he sticks to, he adapts players to the system or buys those that can play that way.
Some managers have a system which works but needs millions to be spent to get players to play that way.
There are a few very good managers who look at the talent at their disposal plus what they can afford and come up with a system that suits what they have.
Martinez seems to have a plan in which he has total faith but which the players cannot make successful. Results show this.
We need a change, either in the way we play or in the players who play. Can't see us getting 6 new top flight players so Martinez has to come up with a system that suits the squad we have.
Football doesn't stand still, if we persist in this style of football and keep failing to win 70% of the games we play then players will vote with their feet and move on.
However results say otherwise. We may or may not have our best squad in decades, we certainty have a squad of players who should be winning at least half the games we play.
I would say we have a better squad than Leicester City, Ranieri has seen the limitations in the Leicester team and has decided that he needs to play a very simple form of football to get the best from them. Our problem, or Martinez' problem is that he is fixated on one way of playing and he won't or can't change.
Good managers can mould lesser players into a team and achieve limited success, Pullis for example. He has a rigid formation which he sticks to, he adapts players to the system or buys those that can play that way.
Some managers have a system which works but needs millions to be spent to get players to play that way.
There are a few very good managers who look at the talent at their disposal plus what they can afford and come up with a system that suits what they have.
Martinez seems to have a plan in which he has total faith but which the players cannot make successful. Results show this.
We need a change, either in the way we play or in the players who play. Can't see us getting 6 new top flight players so Martinez has to come up with a system that suits the squad we have.
Football doesn't stand still, if we persist in this style of football and keep failing to win 70% of the games we play then players will vote with their feet and move on.
He is lost and beaten my friend.
Only his few disciples listen to his ramblings without laughing now.
Shame really but he is welcome at plotterville
Bob Elstone
Player Valuation: £35m
Bit random but there's a tweet (I know I know) saying Everton linked to Lucien Favre. Manager who had a decent record in Germany. Could be bs but with new owners on horizon wouldn't be that surprising if they replaced an underperforming manager...
Its gonna happen come the summer at latest.
The clown will be down the road with the brilliant defensive coach dennis lawrence.
I am hoping for koeman
Succinctly put, sir.
Bob Elstone
Player Valuation: £35m
No chance of koeman. He needs to go though. Facts show this.
tommye
Player Valuation: £100m
Kiwi
Say NO to Ginger Managers
Hi Matt Damon.I have always admired @davek and his fight even if I do disagree with the majority of it, quite contradicting in most parts though and here is why (only my opinion): (bearing in mind I wanted bobby as manager so I admittedly hold my hands up to say I over hyped the guy).....
- Most exciting football in a long time yet a lot of fans are falling asleep at the home games, poor atmosphere and such.
- Added £100m in value to the team, yet he plays Osman and Kone over Mirallas. Cue the transfer requests in the summer.
- One of the best managers in the world, yet he cant organise a defence, also see the Osman & Kone reference above plus Howard.
- Talked about taking Everton forward, unlucky not to get CL footy in his first year, then followed that up with midtable and another possible midtable finish this year. Again possible departures to top 4 teams in the summer.
- Best squad In years (something bobby contributed to massively) yet fails to get the best out of them. See midtable finishes above.
Now here is the best part and something I expect da-vek to grill me over:
In most jobs especially those in the spotlight such as football, you will always find players, staff, owners and such compared to their predecessor, its a measuring stick to see if we have gone forward or backwards, so here goes - David Moyes:
- Moyes took us from bottom 4 to top four once and top 6 in most seasons Martinez has top 5 once and what looks like two midtables. Moyes has the edge on this.
- Moyes built from the back of a tough defence with balance and a knack of grinding out results Martinez builds on a attack based philosophy with the inability to win from 2-0 up. More confident in moyes getting a result than Martinez (personal opinion)
- Moyes spent 10 years building a fortress at home, as a platform for a decent push to the top 6 Martinez has destroyed it in 18 months. Moyes has the upper hand in this aspect.
- Moyes had a poor record against the SKY top four yet its forgotten that he beat Man City home and away multiple times Martinez has also beaten SKY top four teams and Manchester United Away, other than that Martinez has a pretty poor record himself. Both poor records away from home.
- Moyes brought in Howard, Jagielka, Baines, Coleman, Lescott, Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar, Mirallas, Yakubu, Distin, Rooney to name a few who gave us a strong core Martinez has brought in Stones (to a degree) barkley (moyes was there but ross had a broken leg) Lukaku, Delboy, Mccarthy and Lennon. Both good in the transfer market.
Overall I would feel more confident with moyes in charge, I feel that if we didn't pick up three points, its rare that we would leave with none, although draws seem to be high under Martinez too, I feel however moyes was literally 'a Lukaku' away from having a complete side, with Martinez I feel we are always a few singings away from a complete side, I only say that because Martinez has the inability to defend and set up a balanced side we were used to under moyes.
Im not saying to get moyes back because that ship has sailed, but I feel that we have to be fair 'stagnated' under Martinez at the midtable point, at least moyes stagnated around the top 6 because we had no money to break the top four.
I also find a lot of people say Martinez is under achieving yet they throw the 'lets get moyes back then ehh' shout in to degrade the anti Martinez faction, usually they tend to be anti moyes desperate for Martinez to succeed group - not just because they want Everton to do well but because they want to stick two fingers up to moyes. We all want what's best for Everton regardless.
My only issue now would be who do we get in TODAY ? Maybe we should wait until the summer to weigh things up, look now but don't sack the manager for the sake of it.
Arguing over Martinez is like a head vs heart battle, in your heart you want him to succeed and prove us all wrong, but your head is saying he will be naïve all the way. Something my grandad was told well before Martinez joined us, of course they won the FA CUP and was n a state of delirium, yet they all knew after one year Martinez would not change his possession based game even if results were affected by it.
To be fair id be buzzing to get the FA CUP part sorted first
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I think the writing is on the wall for Martinez. Three years is long enough to get your vision unto the pitch. 8 wins in 26 isn't good enough.
He had a good try, did not work time for everyone to move on.
He had a good try, did not work time for everyone to move on.
There is a lot of talk on the south coast that koeman is looking for a new challenge and won't sign his contract extension.
Would love him here before this team is broken up.
royalblue66
Player Valuation: £70m
Could we have him in by tomorrow please
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