Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[mkrudden]

See mate, one little niggling thing here. By signing proven winners, what he would want effectively do is sign players who can play in spite of him not for him. The same way the players dropped his tactics on saturday when they could see they weren't working again and had a go, signing proven winners would just encourage more of that.

And more to the point, what proven winners would want to play for a manager who is proving he can't get a team winning games?

Firstly, money talks. Would Yaya Toure have signed for City before the investment? Of course not.

I mean this with absolute respect, I cant understand the 'spite of him' point. There are so few world class managers yet lots of brilliant teams. Im thinking here of all (well, nearly all) those in the CL - they dont all have wonderful managers.

Instead they have a blend of winners and youth players (again, most of them!).

Let's say we bring in Rooney (just an example), Hummels, Yarmolenko, and some golden boy RB. These might be unrealistic of course/

Those 4 players know what it's like to win leagues, win trophies. So when we got 3-2 up at Bournemouth, or 2-1 vs Stoke, we would rely on this core of quality to grab the team by the scruff of the neck and see us through. They, and consequently us, would be relying on their experience.

We dont have that at the mo. We have some great players - Jags, Baines, Coleman who all between them have won absolutely nothing.

To me, getting in some proven quality would make a big big difference.

 

[chopper6]

Where's @moyes cardy with any updates?!

 

[ijjysmith]

No, I can guarantee that's not the case.

Lovely stuff

 

[ToffeeDoug]

As part of the settlement deal, RM should be asked to self-fund the purchase of Niasse.

 

[Adam-GOTTV]

Absolutely mental how people are suggesting that he should keep his job because he's a "nice guy". I met Speedo Mick on Saturday, he seems like a "nice guy", give it to him....

 

[Darrenc34]

Absolutely mental how people are suggesting that he should keep his job because he's a "nice guy". I met Speedo Mick on Saturday, he seems like a "nice guy", give it to him....

I know I would, he's a legend

 

[orly]

No but guessing by the length of his contract he has left (which is 3 years after this year i believe), he will be due a large payout anyway. Thats why I don't believe these £2m things unless its a clause in his contract, or escape clause put in by us.

He earns £3.5m a year, the £2m is such a random figure thrown around. Regardless if its now, or later on - he will end up getting payment unless he resigns.

Very possibly - but again any money saved on his departure is, for me, good money. That said I do accept that we risk losing more money for league positions if he isn't removed - though of course we could also pay him off AND drop down the league. But of a gamble I guess. Plus I don't think we will catch Stoke (sob) so we aren't speculating on a potential greater income if we change.

That said, it does show the moral fibre of the man that he has absolutely no intention of resigning. He'll just keep taking the cash and professional pride be damned.

 

[Zezti]

Moshimoshi is new to being in control of a football club, I'm sure he's taking his time to make sure he makes the right decision. To us, who haven't invested millions, we call for the sacking without second thought. For Moshimoshi, it's different.

 

[MACCA75]

He's a desperate desperate man now, the wild pops at Moyes, clinging to the 72 point season and the nonsensical claims about progression and youth development. It's all over for him and he knows it.

Anyway, that's enough about Davek. Back to Roberto.

 

[orly]

I think you are definitely right about it not being Bill's final decision anymore, but do you reckon he's got his face in the new guy's and is saying all the wrong things?

It's a real fear I have.

Have you seen the size of his minders from the photo of him with the fans on the train?

Fair play to anyone who gets in Moshiri 's face and escapes with their legs not then attached to their elbows

 

[Ashtonian]

Firstly, money talks. Would Yaya Toure have signed for City before the investment? Of course not.

I mean this with absolute respect, I cant understand the 'spite of him' point. There are so few world class managers yet lots of brilliant teams. Im thinking here of all (well, nearly all) those in the CL - they dont all have wonderful managers.

Instead they have a blend of winners and youth players (again, most of them!).

Let's say we bring in Rooney (just an example), Hummels, Yarmolenko, and some golden boy RB. These might be unrealistic of course/

Those 4 players know what it's like to win leagues, win trophies. So when we got 3-2 up at Bournemouth, or 2-1 vs Stoke, we would rely on this core of quality to grab the team by the scruff of the neck and see us through. They, and consequently us, would be relying on their experience.

We dont have that at the mo. We have some great players - Jags, Baines, Coleman who all between them have won absolutely nothing.

To me, getting in some proven quality would make a big big difference.

you know i agree with your thought process, and you are right, we do need to sign winners for the team, just not under Roberto.

This would be the best case scenario for the future though if we can get a manager who can come in and make a difference. sign a player or two of intention, a midfielder who can be the engine of the team, a defender who can pull the lot of them along when he moves etc. that is where getting a high calibre manager (in esks words) will make a difference. No point in getting the manager without the players, the rebuilding process wont happen over night but as like city, they invested in the right young players who are still the mould of the team even now, 4-5 years later.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Very possibly - but again any money saved on his departure is, for me, good money. That said I do accept that we risk losing more money for league positions if he isn't removed - though of course we could also pay him off AND drop down the league. But of a gamble I guess. Plus I don't think we will catch Stoke (sob) so we aren't speculating on a potential greater income if we change.

That said, it does show the moral fibre of the man that he has absolutely no intention of resigning. He'll just keep taking the cash and professional pride be damned.

Hahaha, i haven't even brought myself to think about the league position money - its £1.5m a place this season isn't it? FFS if we drop further down the league. I think we are going to get higher, but could realistically if results carry on the way the are finish around 16th.

I am just really shocked we are in a position after his self proclaimed "defining week", that nothing has been defined and he is currently allowed to continue with his job. If he is waiting on a £6m+ payout for the final years of his contract, i can start thinking we will be negotiating.

If its circa £2m, i would be massively shocked we are negotiating that... Let me reassess that, if BK was in charge i wouldn't be shocked if we negotiated it.

 

[Zezti]

Hang on, can't we just null the contract because he ain't got his champions league, or was Bill not savvy enough to put that as a condition.

One thing I know though, if I'd have been sacked on Fifa by now with these results.

 

[blue61]

He's a desperate desperate man now, the wild pops at Moyes, clinging to the 72 point season and the nonsensical claims about progression and youth development. It's all over for him and he knows it.

Anyway, that's enough about Davek. Back to Roberto.

+10

 

[cjuk87]

I know I would, he's a legend

He meant give him the job...not the other thing you had in mind.