Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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Allezfan said:
We did remarkably well at selling players under Martinz, I thought.

Sold Naismith, Anichebe, Fellaini, Duffy and Jelavic for a combined 60 million.

For 5 players, only one of which was really a nailed on starter for us, that's pretty damned good.
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On the other hand, a used car salesman wouldn't be asked run a formula 1 team...
 

Shocking that he is still in charge. I'm almost speechless. I had hoped that the board would have sent out a clear message today that NSNO is alive and well but instead I'm left feeling fearful for our future. Not good enough.
 
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He's an odd fellow isn't he?
 
Moyes was trying to reinvent us as a mid table side "punching above our weight". Regardless of opinions on Martinez, he has been consistently saying we should be challenging for titles and a club like ours should not expect less. Whether he is the right man to do it is another matter. But I for one totally respect a good, honest man who I believe does love our club. If we have reached the end of the road I want him to go with dignity and respect from the fans - cos we are evertonians and do things the right way! If the board don't sack him, then they need to issue a strong statement so the the anti - Martinez campaign stops for now cos the vitriol is not going to help anyone and the sack him lobby are not going to get their way, at least for several months. If he stays then we (and I include myself) will have to hold our own counsel (and least til xmas!)
 
Saint Domingo said:
I think his problem has been that he has replaced the creative players in the side with players of lesser quality. Gibson replaced by McCarthy, Pienaar - Cleverley, Mirallas - Deulofeu. Fellaini - Barkley.
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Some big calls there mate - only one I'd disagree with is Fellaini - Barkley. Different type of players. Arguably he's replaced Fellaini with Barry (for DM) and Kone (for winning headers up front and holding it up). So very mixed results.

Key one is Pienaar - Cleverley though.
 

Saint Domingo said:
With arguments like this you've got to either admit that Moyes was a genius or that Martinez is hopeless. One of these things has to be true to explain the drop in league form. Instead the lazy narrative comes out of Moyes as a hoofball merchant scraping 7th and poor Martinez being left with a rubbish squad.

To answer your question in the way you want it answered (a logical way would be to say they finished 7th therefore they were all top 7 players):

Baines - league's best LB without doubt
Coleman - in top 2 rbs without doubt
Jagielka - easily one of the league's top CBs
Distin - top 7 quality
Gibson - top 7 quality when fit
Fellaini - top 7 quality
Mirallas - had the ability to play in any team at that time, a huge talent
Naismith - top 7 quality
Pienaar - top 7 quality
Osman - top 7 quality
Jelavic - top 7 quality

I think his problem has been that he has replaced the creative players in the side with players of lesser quality. Gibson replaced by McCarthy, Pienaar - Cleverley, Mirallas - Deulofeu. Fellaini - Barkley.

Players in their prime were replaced by players not good enough or by young players. In each case though the performance level has gone down and with it the consistency of the team.

The failure to adequately replace Pienaar and Osman was crucial as they made the team in the first season tick. That link between the possession based middle two and the explosive front two. That's not been there since and in a desire to get it back we've brought centrebacks outoif defence, pushed full backs right up the pitch, and played wide players who cannot defend.
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Moyes was a very good manager. I don't think I've ever stated otherwise (sober anyway!). I didn't like the brand of football though, that's just me.

From those players you listed, let's talk about his second season, the beginning of his "failings".
Fellaini had gone purely because he wanted to.
Pienaar- previous season stayed relatively fit.
Baines- struggled for consistency, had a niggling ankle problem
Coleman- regular little problems
Howard- became awful overnight.
Distin- same
Jelavic- already gone because he was nowhere near top 7 quality. Couldn't hit a barn door.
Gibson- never fit
Naismith, sure, played well.
Kev- good season.

So, not being arsey, it seems clear that at beginning of season 2 he thinks he has an experienced back 5, never injured, and has retained his 15+ goalw striker. He also has a playmaker at LM who can help against more defensive teams with osman as back up.

That second season went horribly wrong and with limited finances being spent on Lukaku, I don't know what he was expected to do about it?

This summer he potentially has an open cheque book. No more spreading funds. Go out and buy quality.

Id like to see him given the opportunity, personally.
 
ilikecheese said:
Hahahaha!
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They were at the time mate, because they were starring in a side that kept coming 7th or above.

Osman gets ridiculous treatment on here. If we had a peak Osman now he would walk into this side and hands down be the best midfielder no question. He wasn't even in the top three midfielders at the club under Moyes when he was in his prime which tells you everything you need to know about how overrated our current midfield is and how underrated some of our older pros were in their day.

Osman Pienaar Arteta Gravesen in their Everton primes were a completely different class to McCarthy Cleverley Barry Barkley (Caveat on Barkley being he has been mismanaged, at least he has talent, the others are average).
 

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