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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

  • In

  • Out

  • Getting splinters eating cheese on toast on the fence

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MartSlinger said:
Bill Kenwright has turned this Club into those very things mate.

Praying Farhad Moshiri is able to remove that completely and get us where we belong.
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In what way are we 'small'?

As for unambitious, what kind of unambitious club spends 28million pound sterling on Lukaku and turns down 40 million for John Stones.
Moshiri will hopefully bring execution and business sense, not ambition.
 
Papa Shango said:
Impressive post you made there but I have to pull you and whoever else up on this part.

Since Martinez took over... (BM being before Martinez and AM being After)

John Stones
BM Promising young lad from Barnsley, predominantly played at right back with no top flight games.
AM England regular subject of a big money bid from one of the "biggest" clubs around.

Ross Barkley
BM A bit of an enigma who could barely get a game at Sheffield Wednesday. Was in and around the first team squad at best.
AM A key player for Everton and a regular England international.

Romelu Lukaku
BM Always a goalscorer but lacking in his all round game and hung out to dry by his former manager to the point where he was no longer wanted by a "big" club
AM Still a great goalscorer but with a much better all round game. His touch has improved massively (ignoring last week...) and has value has doubled. Now wanted by "big" clubs.

Brendan Galloway
BM Playing on and off for MK Dons
AM Made a name for himself at the start of the season and showed that he can fill in at left back. His stock his risen under Martinez.

And thats before we look at the less obvious young players like Besic who had the worst possible start to his Everton career imaginable, Robles who is coming on week by week and Deulofeo who was on the scrap heap in Spanish football.
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I think to be fair you need to put Niasse on your list and we need to try to work out the loss in value of these players
over this season.

Also Lukaku, Barklay, and Stones are highly unlikely to be here next season, so the damage Martinez has done
is difficult to work out yet.

Buying players does not always work out, we only need to look at what Liverpool have spent to remain in the top seven.

Martinez was left with a good solid side he has squandered it with his insane logic on how the game should be played.

It may take years to repair the damage he has caused, and the salt in the wound is his comments `judge me over 3 seasons`
what an utter egomaniac totally refuses to see it is his responsibility and his philosophy simply does not work
 
KUEFC09U2 said:
No mate am just like everyone else who wants him gone, not one statement from
The club on anything, another 4 nil defeat in the Derby, getting beat in the semi final by ANOTHER last minute goal, but yet here he is all smiles telling us how we are all hurting and how he wants to turn it all round etc, I really do trust the esk but nothing at all points to him being gone,
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We are all the same mate. But patience is the key here. All factors tell me he's sacked summer at the latest, let's just look forward to wining the league nxt season under moshri and Jose.
 

mikeh72 said:
How on earth can you say we aren't ambitionless? We're sticking with a manager who has proven himself one of the worst in Premier League history because our chairman is scared to sack anyone
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The Chairman doesn't make the decisions here anymore...
Moshiri's effective majority determines this.
Just because he hasn't been sacked today doesn't mean he isn't likely gone by the end of the season.
 
“The first season we reached a very important level in the league, with a record points tally, last season we were the last British team to be knocked out of Europe, this season we have been in two semi-finals."

He's not really saying that was an achievement that we should be looking upon as success is he?
 
The Esk said:
Totally and without equivocation.
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This is good enough for me.
Obviously things are not yet in place behind the scenes. In fact the atmosphere must be very awkward.

Imagine the pre-conference conversation, this morning:

"Morning Bill"
"Morning Bob"
"Bill, is that an elephant in the room?"
"No, Bob, no elephants. Now go and do your conference. Oh, and Bob..."
"Yeah?"
" ...don't mention the elephant"
"I thought you said there wasn't an elephant"
"Errrrm, there's not. Just go,go."
 
I think some are missing one of the points, it should never have got to this, he should never have been allowed to see this season out
 

Too many pages of fume to catch up on, but a quick glace at the summary on the Echo site, and this point specifically

Martinez says ‘he’s more capable now to find the final adjustments to make us better’

is enough. Was looking to making the trek down for the Norwich game but really can't justify the time/expense if he's still living in his bubble of delusion on the sidelines.

Can't wait for this season to end.
 
Papa Shango said:
All opinions isnt it?

What is not opinion is all of those players stock his risen in that time and that is down to Martinez.
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No it isn't. It's down to the players themselves.

Lukaku, Barkely and Stones were always going to be top players. Stones was being talked about as a future England CB when he was still at Barnsley.

All Martinez has done is picked them
 
Kiwi said:
In what way are we 'small'?

As for unambitious, what kind of unambitious club spends 28million pound sterling on Lukaku and turns down 40 million for John Stones.
Moshiri will hopefully bring execution and business sense, not ambition.
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The whole big club small club thing is a load of nonsense.

There are only two types of clubs, successful and unsuccessful, and unfortunately we are the latter.
 
Listening to his press conference there, you could imagine him to talk his way out of a meeting regarding his future as manager. He knows how to deflect the blame, and leave questions unanswered and even try and pull the wool over your eyes with encouraging optimism and the use of a few buzzwords and phrases.

As Paul Merson said with the men in black trick - making everyone forget what they've seen and thinking everything's alright on the pitch, he does exactly the same off the pitch in interviews!

I think that something had been said before the press conference because he got off lightly there with the questions that he answered.

He'll be in charge on Saturday and I wont be going for that reason, that's my protest. I've got a feeling that many blues will do the same, the board will get the picture then.

It would be interesting to see the season ticket renewal figures up to now.
 

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