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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)
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I am with you brother.
Anybody who voted In should consider a Cat scan.
He's here, there's a game on Saturday...get stuck in and get in the NOW. It'll sort itself out or way or another but there's things to accomplish FFS. If you're more arsed about his future than the weekend, you're wrong in the head.
Get all over these pretenders, Blues...I want those mercs sweating over their safety.
Get all over these pretenders, Blues...I want those mercs sweating over their safety.
BoysInBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
Whilst all managers make good and bad signings, not all managers continually fail to learn their lessons from defeats, many of which were suffered in identical manners, largely through a stubborn inability/unwillingness to just do what many would consider to be the basic thing of stopping attacking and sit on what you have. Our manager considers this an affront to his philosophies and because of this, he would rather lose a game by sticking to his principles than win a game by compromising them.
There is now 2 seasons of evidence of this and the end result is likely consecutive bottom half finishes, the most goals conceded at home in the league and the worst home record at Goodison for 22 years.
All of that overrides any good things he does and brings, because ultimately results override everything.
That is why he needs to go.
There is now 2 seasons of evidence of this and the end result is likely consecutive bottom half finishes, the most goals conceded at home in the league and the worst home record at Goodison for 22 years.
All of that overrides any good things he does and brings, because ultimately results override everything.
That is why he needs to go.
Furey1878
Player Valuation: £70m
Still time to get a run of wins together in the league as well. With how the league has been this season any run of wins could see us right back up there.
orly
Please check with me for Blammo criteria
By the way, not MDMA the drug - it's what top scientists have labelled 'Martinez Deification Madness Affliction'.
Sadly roughly 35% of the Everton supporting populous on this forum are currently suffering from this.
There is only one cure.
bluewally
Player Valuation: £8m
I think so. I think it sends a message to any prospective manager that we have ambition and 12th place isn't good enough.
The players want to be at a club with ambition too.
It doesn't send that message to anyone if we allow this underperformance to continue without consequence.
Sentinel
Player Valuation: £8m
Well that sure was some read on the Martinez thread before it got curtailed. I'm going to try to keep this on topic and also try not to inadvertently insult somebody.
When I look at the league, I don't see a differentiation between the old first division and the premiership. To me it's the same league, always has been always will be. Anyway going back to Gordon Lee, his best finishes were 3rd in 77-78 and 4th in 78-79. Converting three points for a win,
77-78. Played 42, Won 22, Drawn 11, Lost 9 =77 points, 3rd place finish.
78-79 played 42, Won 17, Drawn 17 and Lost 8, 68 points.
So actually it's Gordon Lee who has managed our best ever points return, and not Martinez. (excluding of course the legendary Howard Kendall) I obviously stand to be corrected by anyone who is better at math than me.
When it comes to buying shares and sacking managers. Kenwright bought the club in 99 and without, to my knowledge, ever pumping any of his own money into the club still managed to sack Walter Smith in 2002. Looks like a precedent to me.
My point is and it's not to make cheap shots at anyone. Everton has a history of sacking underachieving managers. Maybe not recently but in the past we did. However passionately you argue in favour of our current manager, I think most of us can agree he is underachieving. I don't expect him to be sacked while we still have a chance of winning the F.A cup and to be fair I wouldn't advocate it. However his record needs serious consideration and with the arrival of Moshiri I think expectations and targets will be raised higher than they were previously.
When I look at the league, I don't see a differentiation between the old first division and the premiership. To me it's the same league, always has been always will be. Anyway going back to Gordon Lee, his best finishes were 3rd in 77-78 and 4th in 78-79. Converting three points for a win,
77-78. Played 42, Won 22, Drawn 11, Lost 9 =77 points, 3rd place finish.
78-79 played 42, Won 17, Drawn 17 and Lost 8, 68 points.
So actually it's Gordon Lee who has managed our best ever points return, and not Martinez. (excluding of course the legendary Howard Kendall) I obviously stand to be corrected by anyone who is better at math than me.
When it comes to buying shares and sacking managers. Kenwright bought the club in 99 and without, to my knowledge, ever pumping any of his own money into the club still managed to sack Walter Smith in 2002. Looks like a precedent to me.
My point is and it's not to make cheap shots at anyone. Everton has a history of sacking underachieving managers. Maybe not recently but in the past we did. However passionately you argue in favour of our current manager, I think most of us can agree he is underachieving. I don't expect him to be sacked while we still have a chance of winning the F.A cup and to be fair I wouldn't advocate it. However his record needs serious consideration and with the arrival of Moshiri I think expectations and targets will be raised higher than they were previously.
kithnou
Player Valuation: £70m
Fully expecting this thread to follow the other one. Guaranteed if we lose on Saturday.
I look forward to seeing Mr Moshiri. Who knows, may BK will be well enough to accompany him in the box. Roberto will be feeling the pressure I'm sure.
Groucho's fence gaining popularity pre game. Keeping my eye on it post game.
I look forward to seeing Mr Moshiri. Who knows, may BK will be well enough to accompany him in the box. Roberto will be feeling the pressure I'm sure.
Groucho's fence gaining popularity pre game. Keeping my eye on it post game.
Blue Cheese
Mental Patient, GOT Ward
Come on You Blues, snot the cockney. FA Cup would be fantastic, make it happen Roberto and then bow out gracefully thanks.
After 2 3/4 seasons I don't reasonably understand how anyone can be on the fence, especially since 1 3/4 of that time has seen us languishing in the bottom half.
Said it before and I'll say it again for what it's worth, until Martinez accepts that defending is an integral part of the game, his ideals will always fall short.
Everton are not an experiment.
After 2 3/4 seasons I don't reasonably understand how anyone can be on the fence, especially since 1 3/4 of that time has seen us languishing in the bottom half.
Said it before and I'll say it again for what it's worth, until Martinez accepts that defending is an integral part of the game, his ideals will always fall short.
Everton are not an experiment.
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