Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[roydo]

He was a complete spoofer.

DAVIDMOYES and the blue fox were the only two decent itk's

*cough*

*yarmolenko, cough*

 

[Yankfootball1]

Sheedy's "source" was a friend who was an agent who mostly dealt with players in and out at Stoke. He often made references to players he heard we were in for, but from memory never actually called a single thing right.

I do remember him posting that his friend was an agent. - edit Off Topic (last comment on Sheedy)

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

He was a complete spoofer.

DAVIDMOYES and the blue fox were the only two decent itk's

Sheedy passed on information from his agent mate in good faith.

 

[granter79]

Two things:

I don't want Kenwright at all. I want moshiris money and like it or not currently that comes with Kenwright attached.

Secondly, the 72 points issue is not a moot beating of breast on behalf of the current manager. That total is almost certainly going to have to be replicated or even surpassed in order to get a CL spot in seasons to come. That's why it's important to point out that if any new manager falls short of a much less well funded manger's total (which is what the situation will be) then there's only one outcome: they have to go.

Any new boss will have support from me for the first season in the sense that I'd never call for his head after 12 months unless they were an utter disaster. But at the end of that first season I'd see fit to make a comment on them as to whether they were shaping up as a manager who can bring success....and they BETTER be showing signs of achieving that success by the middle of season two or all bets are off and they'll face calls for their head on a plate. And rightly so given the experiences of Martinez who hasn't had the Moshiri millions. That's why he reached three season in the job...but that won't apply in the future.

In a nutshell: the "top manager" coming in has to show they can get a CL spot or very closely miss out in his first season or show convincing evidence that he can secure that CL spot in his second season or he can get out of the club.


THAT ^^^ is where we stand as a club now. Basically we need to now judge our well funded managers on the same timescale and basis as the other elite financially funded clubs.

And how many clean sheets we keep and how many we concede from corners

 

[Simon baker]

He was a complete spoofer.

DAVIDMOYES and the blue fox were the only two decent itk's

If he was a spoofer how come his story regarding Bellamy & Moyes when he almost signed for us ended up in Bellamys book which was published some timer after his posts

 

[mutley]

Is there reasonable confidence in assuming that a decision has been finally reached? All we are missing is an announcement from the club and knowing after or before which match the departure applies from.

Do we think that Everton are trying to manage this as a mutual agreement for RM to walk away rather than being a sacking?

Maybe Moshiri will come out and say Bobby will be our manager for next season ?

 

[toffee matt]

It's worth noting though that the club have clamped down and ran an incredibly tight ship in recent years especially since Moyes left. No one in the media really has a clue what's going on at Everton.

Probably because Martinez isn't known for taking certain North West Journalists out for a drink as Moyes was prone to doing...

 

[roydo]

If he was a spoofer how come his story regarding Bellamy & Moyes when he almost signed for us ended up in Bellamys book which was published some timer after his posts

I thought he was sound myself. He was pretty open that he dealt in whispers, from his mate, and occasionally he would be involved in a deal, or "carrying the bags" as he put it.

 

[Hong Kong Phooey]

He did give some decent bits and bobs mind. Like the Pulis bonus at Palace, and Allardyce wanting Distin to bin his agent if he signed for West Ham.

TBF to him he never actually claimed to be in the know regarding Everton as far as I'm aware. He openly said his friend was an agent who like I say, mostly dealt with Stoke City and from time to time would hear on the grapevine that we were interested in certain players.

Unfortunately for him though, every time he heard of a player that we were negotiating for from said agent, we never actually signed and in most cases, weren't even linked in the press in any way shape or form.

 

[davek]

And how many clean sheets we keep and how many we concede from corners

EVERYTHING they do will be under scrutiny.

Come in here and replace one manager deemed not good enough on his record of achieving our top PL season and reaching two cup SFs (and at worst two midtable finishes) and he will be under the microscope at every turn.

They'll be spending big cash and much more scrutiny and higher standards than either Martinez or Moyes achieved is a necessity. If they can't handle that then they shouldn't apply for the post.

Success or the door. They are the two options for our managers in two seasons from now on. And rightly so.

 

[Simon baker]

I thought he was sound myself. He was pretty open that he dealt in whispers, from his mate, and occasionally he would be involved in a deal, or "carrying the bags" as he put it.

Yes think he works for his mate now he posts on another forum but tries not to talk about transfers etc anymore

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I'm going to be unpopular here, but he'll go down as a success for me. I'm not going to use stats because you can find good ones and bad ones (quite a lot) for Martinez.
Since he's been here, the whole clubs mindset has changed. We've went from Moyes and Neville and their top 10, 40 points comments (even Steve Round today on SSN mentioning us grinding out a 0-0) to us now with a squad that on its day, can match and beat most in the league. The fans' ambition has increased to believing we can be seriously successful - get champions league - people believed we could have won the Europa last season. Of course thinking and actually doing it is completely different, but Martinez's positivity, attacking style of play and his squad he's built has got us believing we can go on to better things. Moshiri has also raised our hopes and I'm not going to say Martinez is the reason he's here because he's not, it actually makes me realise what Martinez can do with Moshiri's millions this summer (if he's here).

I'll give an example in case it looks like I'm talking out of my arse. Does anyone remember the candidates to replace Moyes, and the bookies favourites? They were the mighty Phil Neville, Niel Lennon and Alan Stubbs. If anyone mentioned a Mourinho type then, you'll get called mad. Now the favourites to take over Martinez is Joachim Low, Pellegrini, and Mourinho has been mentioned. That's a huge difference in the calibre of managers and I'm not saying Martinez is 100% the reason why things have changed but he's part of it.

Another reason I have a soft spot for Martinez is the fact he gets Everton, he's a very classy man and has time for everyone. The thing with Margaret Aspinall was touching, and my support for him (and the 30 odd who voted in) is probably based on the fact I want to see him succeed and willing to give him a bit more time.

In my head, the above sounds logical but apologies to everyone if it's just gibberish. Also, I'm expecting people to disagree with me (and maybe some deluded shouts) and if you do, I'm willing to have a debate.

So you won't use stats to back your support, I'm not surprised mate, they're absolutely shocking.

As for Martinez being even part of the reason we're being linked with managers of a far higher calibre - AFTER HES TAKEN US BACKWARDS AND IS ON THE CUSP OF BEING WANGED OUT THE DOOR - just let that sink in for a minute mate

Jesus wept

 

[bluestevon]

Two things:

I don't want Kenwright at all. I want moshiris money and like it or not currently that comes with Kenwright attached.

Secondly, the 72 points issue is not a moot beating of breast on behalf of the current manager. That total is almost certainly going to have to be replicated or even surpassed in order to get a CL spot in seasons to come. That's why it's important to point out that if any new manager falls short of a much less well funded mangers total (which is what the situation will be) then there's only one outcome: they have to go.

Any new boss will have support from me for the first season in the sense that I'd never call for his head after 12 months unless they were an utter disaster. But at the end of that first season I'd see fit to make a comment in them as to whether they were shaping up as a manager who can bring success....and they BETTER be showing signs of achieving that success by the middle of season two or all bets are off and they'll face calls for their head in a plate. And rightly so given the experiences of Martinez who hasn't had the Moshiri millions. That's why he reached three season in the job...but that won't apply in the future.

In a nutshell: the "top manager" coming in has to show they can get a CL spot or very closely miss out in his first season or show convincing evidence that he can secure that CL spot in his second season or he can get out of the club.


THAT ^^^ is where we stand as a club now. Basically we need to now judge our well funded managers on the same timescale and basis as the other elite financially funded clubs.

Dave this is the bloke i know and who actually posts some pretty decent stuff in the past, yes set expectations for the new manager, set high ones most certainly, if we don't we end up as a stoke at best and a Villa at worst, no club has ever been worse off by being more demanding of the manager and playing staff mate, as for Masrtinez - IF he had had always been managing a Everton owned by Moshiri then i dount he would have survived the Hull game last season and would have been very unlikely to have been in charge right now for certain - and overall in hindsight that would have been the right call.

Only thing wrong is that Kenwright is attached, he is attached as a dead limb waiting to be amputated right now mate, very soon he won't even be an afterthought, would say his influence right now is practically nothing anyroad.

72 points won't have to be replicated or succeeded for CL qualification mate, 70 points got 4th last year, this year the theorectical maximum for 4th will be 69 points, and more likely 3rd and 4th will finish around 67-70.

End of the day 72 points, 62 points, or whatever - the position at the top end of the table is what really matters.

P.S. nice to see you actually putting up a thought out post rather than hyperbole for a change mate, sincerely mean that

 

[Darth Vader]

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EVERYTHING they do will be under scrutiny.

Come in here and replace one manager deemed not good enough on his record of achieving our top PL season and reaching two cup SFs (and at worst two midtable finishes) and he will be under the microscope at every turn.

They'll be spending big cash and much more scrutiny and higher standards than either Martinez or Moyes achieved is a necessity. If they can't handle that then they shouldn't apply for the post.

Success or the door. They are the two options for our managers in two seasons from now on. And rightly so.

No mate, Moyes finished 4th

 

[Stan Lee Park]

Two things:

I don't want Kenwright at all. I want moshiris money and like it or not currently that comes with Kenwright attached.

Secondly, the 72 points issue is not a moot beating of breast on behalf of the current manager. That total is almost certainly going to have to be replicated or even surpassed in order to get a CL spot in seasons to come. That's why it's important to point out that if any new manager falls short of a much less well funded manger's total (which is what the situation will be) then there's only one outcome: they have to go.

Any new boss will have support from me for the first season in the sense that I'd never call for his head after 12 months unless they were an utter disaster. But at the end of that first season I'd see fit to make a comment on them as to whether they were shaping up as a manager who can bring success....and they BETTER be showing signs of achieving that success by the middle of season two or all bets are off and they'll face calls for their head on a plate. And rightly so given the experiences of Martinez who hasn't had the Moshiri millions. That's why he reached three season in the job...but that won't apply in the future.

In a nutshell: the "top manager" coming in has to show they can get a CL spot or very closely miss out in his first season or show convincing evidence that he can secure that CL spot in his second season or he can get out of the club.


THAT ^^^ is where we stand as a club now. Basically we need to now judge our well funded managers on the same timescale and basis as the other elite financially funded clubs.

I see what you are getting at now.
We give Martinez as long as he needs but with more money to spend because he hasn't had any so far. This is based on the fact that he once got us 72 points. Simple really.
I really can't see why the majority of other posters should disagree with this. Don't they want to win the Vanarama National League?