Install the app
How to install the app on iOS

Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.

Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.

 

Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

  • In

  • Out

  • Getting splinters eating cheese on toast on the fence

Results are only viewable after voting.
Status
Not open for further replies.
granter79 said:
Top Pl finish on an already established defensive unit. Then 2 bang average league finishes which were unacceptable for any fan with ambition and not happy with no progression.
Click to expand...
That's a mean spirited analysis of Martinez. I can't be doing with that. Let's just accept that he's our record breaking premier league point making manager and stop being churlish.

The feller put in a blistering first season. End of story.
 
davek said:
On Martinez: that's a moot point as he'd have been spending massively under Moshiri and you'd expect any manager would not fail to add another 15 points onto his season total. Which leads neatly to the new man whomever that may be. That's fine if they get top four with as low a total as mid 60 points. No problem. But whether it takes 65 points or 75 points, they better get them because they won't survive past two seasons if they don't. If the level of spending is as promised they'll get one season bedding in and need to show something for it by the end of the first season by way of a decent points haul - not necessarily top four but 5th or 6th MINIMUM. If they don't they are right under the cosh in their second season and I'd want to see us top 5 by Christmas that second season or I'd push for his dismissal.

I can't underline this enough: the rules of the game changed fundamentally and these are the new rules. They are not high bar unrealistic targets, they are realistic. Don't meet them? There is the door - get through it. Then we appoint someone else.

Managers getting three seasons without success and spending big cash can't be tolerated.
Click to expand...
BK needs to go from our club as well to ensure ambition and not just staying in the prem..is he the reason you don't go to Goodison ? Don't blame you - principled stand if that is the case
 
Roberto's Dream said:
I'm going to be unpopular here, but he'll go down as a success for me. I'm not going to use stats because you can find good ones and bad ones (quite a lot) for Martinez.
Since he's been here, the whole clubs mindset has changed. We've went from Moyes and Neville and their top 10, 40 points comments (even Steve Round today on SSN mentioning us grinding out a 0-0) to us now with a squad that on its day, can match and beat most in the league. The fans' ambition has increased to believing we can be seriously successful - get champions league - people believed we could have won the Europa last season. Of course thinking and actually doing it is completely different, but Martinez's positivity, attacking style of play and his squad he's built has got us believing we can go on to better things. Moshiri has also raised our hopes and I'm not going to say Martinez is the reason he's here because he's not, it actually makes me realise what Martinez can do with Moshiri's millions this summer (if he's here).

I'll give an example in case it looks like I'm talking out of my arse. Does anyone remember the candidates to replace Moyes, and the bookies favourites? They were the mighty Phil Neville, Niel Lennon and Alan Stubbs. If anyone mentioned a Mourinho type then, you'll get called mad. Now the favourites to take over Martinez is Joachim Low, Pellegrini, and Mourinho has been mentioned. That's a huge difference in the calibre of managers and I'm not saying Martinez is 100% the reason why things have changed but he's part of it.

Another reason I have a soft spot for Martinez is the fact he gets Everton, he's a very classy man and has time for everyone. The thing with Margaret Aspinall was touching, and my support for him (and the 30 odd who voted in) is probably based on the fact I want to see him succeed and willing to give him a bit more time.

In my head, the above sounds logical but apologies to everyone if it's just gibberish. Also, I'm expecting people to disagree with me (and maybe some deluded shouts) and if you do, I'm willing to have a debate.
Click to expand...
I can respect that opinion.

Martinez is a decent guy, apart from his stubborn streak, and I wish him well for the future. But personally, I want him out now.

Three seasons is enough to show the trajectory a manager is taking a club on, and it's clearly downwards. I think he's shown he's not the man to take us forward.

However, I think he's leaving us with a strong squad and an increased expectation of what Everton should be looking to achieve. He deserves credit for that.

The right replacement could build on this squad and produce something truly special. For that, we have the work of Moyes and Martinez to thank.

I hope history will treat them both kindly, because it will mean their legacy has been the basis for future success with a new manager.
 

Darth Vader said:
He did

Pity he's ruined those memories with two massive steaming piles of dog turd seasons
Click to expand...
....this season we were within a goal of reaching two finals.

It's ridiculous to put this season overall on a par with the second season...which was poor.
 


Status
Not open for further replies.

Welcome to GrandOldTeam

Get involved. Registration is simple and free.

Register
Back
Top