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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

  • In

  • Out

  • Getting splinters eating cheese on toast on the fence

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Roberto's Dream said:
I'm going to be unpopular here, but he'll go down as a success for me. I'm not going to use stats because you can find good ones and bad ones (quite a lot) for Martinez.
Since he's been here, the whole clubs mindset has changed. We've went from Moyes and Neville and their top 10, 40 points comments (even Steve Round today on SSN mentioning us grinding out a 0-0) to us now with a squad that on its day, can match and beat most in the league. The fans' ambition has increased to believing we can be seriously successful - get champions league - people believed we could have won the Europa last season. Of course thinking and actually doing it is completely different, but Martinez's positivity, attacking style of play and his squad he's built has got us believing we can go on to better things. Moshiri has also raised our hopes and I'm not going to say Martinez is the reason he's here because he's not, it actually makes me realise what Martinez can do with Moshiri's millions this summer (if he's here).

I'll give an example in case it looks like I'm talking out of my arse. Does anyone remember the candidates to replace Moyes, and the bookies favourites? They were the mighty Phil Neville, Niel Lennon and Alan Stubbs. If anyone mentioned a Mourinho type then, you'll get called mad. Now the favourites to take over Martinez is Joachim Low, Pellegrini, and Mourinho has been mentioned. That's a huge difference in the calibre of managers and I'm not saying Martinez is 100% the reason why things have changed but he's part of it.

Another reason I have a soft spot for Martinez is the fact he gets Everton, he's a very classy man and has time for everyone. The thing with Margaret Aspinall was touching, and my support for him (and the 30 odd who voted in) is probably based on the fact I want to see him succeed and willing to give him a bit more time.

In my head, the above sounds logical but apologies to everyone if it's just gibberish. Also, I'm expecting people to disagree with me (and maybe some deluded shouts) and if you do, I'm willing to have a debate.
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Spot on that mate there's some ridiculous hysterical noise going on right now that's denying Martinez all the stuff he's brought to the table...and they do exist, as you show.

Above all he demonstrated in that first season that we can play on an equal basis with anyone in this league. He played a more arrogant game than we ever knew under Moyes and his objectives for the club were laudable. The cash wasnt available to him as it will be to his successor. The last season had great attacking football but we couldn't get the results. He is a worthy everton manager and will be seen to be so in the fullness of time. His first season performance alone assures that.

But it looks like we move on now.
 

mutley said:
What are your expectations ? two cup wins and champions league lollollol
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Not losing 8 league games at home and in doing so racking up our worst ever home league performance - in 138 years.

Not turning up at the pit with a tactically inept and gutless display that was a complete embarrassment.

Not shipping goals like a pub side through a complete lack of defensive drilling.

Not losing more goals in the last 15 minutes of games than ever before, through the players patently not being fit enough.

Not seeing some flute of a manager blaming the fans for his own hideous mis management
 
ianefc said:
Eh? How did you come to that conclusion?

Is this the classic exaggerating of one point to make a much weaker point seem relevant?

Like I asked, should he keep his job because we managed those 8 or 9 cup progressions against that standard of opposition?
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You're laughing at getting to two semi finals, if we had actually won something in the last 20 years i might have laughed with you.
 
davek said:
Spot on that mate there's some ridiculous hysterical noise going on right now that's denying Martinez all the stuff he's brought to the table...and they do exist, as you show.

Above all he demonstrated in that first season that we can play on an equal basis with anyone in this league. He played a more arrogant game than we ever knew under Moyes and his objectives for the club were laudable. The cash wasnt available to him as it will be to his successor. The last season had great attacking football but we couldn't get the results. He is a worthy everton manager and will be seen to be so in the fullness of time. His first season performance alone assures that.

But it looks like we move on now.
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What games this season would you say we played great attacking football?
 

mutley said:
You're laughing at getting to two semi finals, if we had actually won something in the last 20 years i might have laughed with you.
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getting to two semi finals isn't the same as winning a trophy.

ergo it doesn't mean a thing.

Martinez is a million miles out of his depth and people who support him will see how limited as a manager he is when he moves on.
 

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