Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[JAYTALITY]

Who is the joker putting money on Martin O'Neill as our next manager?! 7/2 joint favourite on Paddy Power lol!

I'd take him.

 

[mutley]

Yep. If ruthlessness to be successful is now the operating norm in terms of managerial sackings and appointments then it makes perfect sense that the very top prize in the domestic game should be the determining factor in managers keeping their jobs.

I'm glad to see you underline the point I've been making here today: that success has to be swift or we get rid of managers and move onto the next.

Let's not go down the RS route though dave, sacking managers willy nilly

 

[orly]

20 odd years now. Opportunity and ambition equally pissed down the drain.
We founded the Premier League with United, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal. Look where they've been in comparison to us. It's really a miracle we weren't relegated with the shambles in the backroom. Now things need to change.

Yep. Premier League era

United - won league multiple times, massive stadium developed more and more on the back of successes
Arsenal - ditto
Liverpool - lol (but won a few things)
Spurs - few trophy wins, played in the CL knockout stages, straight into the group stages for next season, highest finish of second


Us - one trophy win, no higher than fourth.

Anyone with executive influence at Everton since 1992 should have been kicked in the plums after every season

 

[bizzaro]

Who is the joker putting money on Martin O'Neill as our next manager?! 7/2 joint favourite on Paddy Power lol!

I'd take him.

Not even funny this.

 

[toffee matt]

What was his philosophy in the first place?!

Treating football as if it is some sort of art and whilst ignoring the fundamentals

Football isn't complicated. Ferguson won 11 league titles playing 4-4-2.

Charisma, Goals, Defence and mental strength are the 4 crucial ingredients .

 

[toffee matt]

Yep. Premier League era

United - won league multiple times, massive stadium developed more and more on the back of successes
Arsenal - ditto
Liverpool - lol (but won a few things)
Spurs - few trophy wins, played in the CL knockout stages, straight into the group stages for next season, highest finish of second


Us - one trophy win, no higher than fourth.

Anyone with executive influence at Everton since 1992 should have been kicked in the plums after every season

Villa were a founder member too.

And even they came closer to winning the league in 1993 and 1999 than we have since '87

 

[mutley]

I'd take him.

Think you've found ya joker mozza lol

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[Kiwi]

Yep. Premier League era

United - won league multiple times, massive stadium developed more and more on the back of successes
Arsenal - ditto
Liverpool - lol (but won a few things)
Spurs - few trophy wins, played in the CL knockout stages, straight into the group stages for next season, highest finish of second


Us - one trophy win, no higher than fourth.

Anyone with executive influence at Everton since 1992 should have been kicked in the plums after every season

Kenwright for all that he loves the club did not do right by the club, yes Moshiri coming in now streamlines nicely and hopefully will push us forward. However we should have been sold long ago to someone who had money and could take the club forward, not spending <10 years under the ownership of a man with no money.

 

[orly]

Without massive backing financially Martinez got us a total that would earn a CL spot in most seasons. It's gotten away from him in the last two seasons obviously. But in the pre Moshiri era (which is what his reign was in) his ambition was there to achieve success when we had no real right to get it and that first season earned him the right to try another season beyond his second.

No such excuses exist anymore.

Two seasons max without a CL spot or they walk. No ifs or buts.

Absolutely mate

The big issue has been defending leads. That has been appalling. But how do you pick the bones out of that? Jagielka, for instance, said yesterday that players and manager were culpable in those collapses: presumably that Martinez didn't shore up the team in the final stages and the players had no resolve to defend it when they were called on to do so.

You're right though: the table doesn't lie.

Let's see where we end up on that score at the season's end. If we're comfortable top half, then that, added to the more than acceptable cup runs, will represent a not half bad season. If we finish bottom half, Martinez will feel the microscope on him even more keenly next season.

March 17, 2016.

Nordecke said: ↑
You're right.. The table doesn't lie..

Fact is we finished 7th with [removed] money.. We dropped a lot of points in [removed] games which we could've won..

Counterfactual arguments dont cut it. I could say to you 'if we'd lost in games we were lucky to drawn in we'd be in the bottom half of the table'.

The table never lies.

May 21, 2011

 

[JAYTALITY]

Whatever the season 72 points is blistering for us.

I sincerely doubt well get near it again anytime soon. But that will be the new managers task and he'll stand and fall on how close he can get near to it.

72 points aside Martinez is a terrible manager.

Not even funny this.

Cause he's a paddy is it Damian.

 

[bizzaro]

72 points aside Martinez is a terrible manager.

Cause he's a paddy is it Damian.

He's already destroyed one club with his mate Randy.

He's not doing it to mine!

 

[JAYTALITY]

Sorry if you've stated this elsewhere, but would you give him another season?

El Berto?

 

[LAToffee]

El Berto?

Sorry mate. Was trying to ask other poster. Deleted original. Soz

 

[davek]

Absolutely mate



March 17, 2016.





May 21, 2011

i don't understand.