Chang Elephant
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They looked 100% unfit in the pre season games and not much better until after Xmas. What does he actually manage at the club out of interest ?
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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)
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Foot Long Hot Dog
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No mate.
He'll have 10 games to put a vaguely acceptable veneer on the season. If we finish where we are now i.e. Bottom half, for the second year running, he'll be viewed as having failed - and rightly so, as he will have done
Roberto Martinez gives staunch defence of his Everton reign
Roberto Martinez is under pressure at EvertonCREDIT: PA
10 MARCH 2016 • 10:32PM
Everton manager Roberto Martinez has robustly defended his reign amid growing unrest with his side’s underperformance this season, insisting he remains the right man to lead the club into a new era.
Martinez can give the campaign a different complexion by securing a Wembley trip with victory over Chelsea in Saturday’s FA Cup quarter-final.
The game will be notable as the first attended by investor Farhad Moshiri since his 49.9 per cent purchase of the Merseyside club.
Farhad Moshiri will be at Goodison Park on Saturday
There is no suggestion the future of Martinez is on the agenda for the new benefactor, but cup success would go some way to appeasing those who recognise how the manager has built a talented team, but are concerned at the current failure to deliver on its promise.
Martinez feels he deserves more support than criticism.
“It takes a brave journalist to defend the manager after losing in the last 12 minutes (to West Ham) and to say ‘look at the record of building a football club when he’s had to cope,'" said Martinez.
Everton's home record this season has been poor
“It’s one of toughest jobs, winning games, creating something and it’s been smooth – in the first season we got 72 points; in the second we went into Europe, we have been into the semi-final of the League Cup; we’ve been consistently coping with the expectations of doing something good in the cups – that’s difficult.
“If I was a new manager in the Premier Leagu maybe I would be worried. I have been very fortunate because I have been ten years managing and seven of them have been consistently in the Premier League so I can speak from a good position of what pressure is. Whatever you’re fighting for – winning the FA Cup, fighting relegation, trying to get into the top four - I have that experience.
“You’re looking at a squad, the players we have and the signs we have shown this season and this is not a group that has hit the roof, or reached a level of being are quite happy to be seventh and hoping for a good season. We’re trying to be forward thinking and on the front foot, a team that can score and compete against anyone and we have seen signs.
“At home we have not been able to win enough, that’s the truth and we have to face it. But it’s not going to happen overnight, it’s a process. We manage funds very well, we have sold very well, and invested very well. We have not had a £300m investment. We just manage our assets very well and end up with a squad I feel has the potential to get somewhere special.
“Have we got experience within squad? Clearly not, we have young talent that needs trauma and pain but I am excited about the future when I look at the players I work with on a daily basis at Everton.”
Asked if Martinez may have put together a squad that someone else will get more from him, he responded: “Fine. I will be the proudest man on earth. I gave Joe Allen the perfect programme to develop as a youngster and he became a £15m player. As a manager you have to do that, for the good of the club, not for the good of the manager. I wouldn’t be involved in football if didn’t have that mentality. I’m not a short-term manager. I don’t want to get a football club mortgaged or in that situation just to win over the next six months. I enjoy building a club and making decisions. Maybe I am not going to see the benefit but that’s how a manager should think.”
Probably an unpopular opinion but I agree with everything he says there.
The last bit I think rings true the most and that's my theory, tbh. That he's the man who lays groundwork to build a system and style but maybe not the one to take it to (full) fruition. However he does deserve a fair crack at it and won't be judged until season's end barring a major catastrophe in the next few weeks.
You can tell he is feeling the pressure the key is how he reacts to it. He's come out on the defensive and fine, as long as we see reaction on the pitch I'm not arsed. We did after the City game and after the Stoke (h) game so I'm hoping for the same again.
However, he does need to reassess in the summer as do the club and get a way of making his way work better - i.e. defence. Ultimately I think that needs to start by replacing or helping Lawrence.
Chang Elephant
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It's like a primary school teacher taking the credit for how Peter Sutcliffe turned out.....most wouldn't do it
eternal_defiance
Player Valuation: £8m
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ed-clash-crunch-Champions-League-tie.htmlhtml
Cocu's attitude regarding throwing away points is just what Martinez needs to copy.
If we lose to Chelsea, and more accurately with a negative attitude, Martinez out and Cocu in.
Cocu's attitude regarding throwing away points is just what Martinez needs to copy.
If we lose to Chelsea, and more accurately with a negative attitude, Martinez out and Cocu in.
Chang, the crap pre-season had sweet F all to do with RM being at the WC.
It had a lot to do with us not knowing what our fixture list would be for the next season when the pre-seasons are usually sorted out (which is April).
In mid-April we were still well in the hunt for CL so could not commit to anything pre-season wise - as was well documented.
It had to be left late and ended up being a shoddy one but that isn't the manager who sorts it.
He gives a general feel of how many games etc and then it is arranged by the specific people employed to do that. It isn't a case of Bobby sitting in his office on the phone.
While he was at the WC, he wouldn't have been at FF anyway... over half the squad were on international duty and the others were on holiday.
He left the WC at the quarter final stage and returned to Finch Farm when the players who hadn't been in the WC/still weren't in the WC returned to training.
It was a bad pre-season but your reasoning for it is entirely wrong. We needed one more game but due to the time constraints it didn't/couldn't happen, combined with the likes of Rom and Mirallas only returning in August and Barkley getting an injury the day before the start of the season (just as Baines did last year)
We had an extra game or two this time round and it worked - we don't look unfit.
Ain't gonna happen (as in RM going next week)
The Equaliser
Player Valuation: £50m
Just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year,
Running over the same old ground.
Elong
The fire rises
Dave and Bobby lol
They STILL don't actually look all that fit..
BoysInBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
Just realised - this thread has had more name changes than the League Cup!
I´m confused. From what I can see, bar Mori and Lennon, the players who collapsed so spectacularly against West Ham on Saturday were all in the squad in the year when we finished fifth in 2013-2014 so in what way is youth an excuse. Either he was a genius in that season or he wasn´t responsible for it. You can´t have it both ways. All of these players are three years older and apparently they´ve gone drastically backwards.
If he was humble enough to recognise the influence of Moyes on the defensive performance of the first season then I think people would be more willing to accept the decline because at least it would show he recognises the problem. I think everybody can recognise that he´s done some good work on the offensive side of things but the complete unwillingness to acknowledge the defensive problems and his constantly talking about the youth of a squad that for the most part is the same one he had in his first season means that I don´t believe in the possibility of change.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Roberto Martinez gives staunch defence of his Everton reign
Roberto Martinez is under pressure at EvertonCREDIT: PA
10 MARCH 2016 • 10:32PM
Everton manager Roberto Martinez has robustly defended his reign amid growing unrest with his side’s underperformance this season, insisting he remains the right man to lead the club into a new era.
Martinez can give the campaign a different complexion by securing a Wembley trip with victory over Chelsea in Saturday’s FA Cup quarter-final.
The game will be notable as the first attended by investor Farhad Moshiri since his 49.9 per cent purchase of the Merseyside club.
Farhad Moshiri will be at Goodison Park on Saturday
There is no suggestion the future of Martinez is on the agenda for the new benefactor, but cup success would go some way to appeasing those who recognise how the manager has built a talented team, but are concerned at the current failure to deliver on its promise.
Martinez feels he deserves more support than criticism.
“It takes a brave journalist to defend the manager after losing in the last 12 minutes (to West Ham) and to say ‘look at the record of building a football club when he’s had to cope,'" said Martinez.
Everton's home record this season has been poor
“It’s one of toughest jobs, winning games, creating something and it’s been smooth – in the first season we got 72 points; in the second we went into Europe, we have been into the semi-final of the League Cup; we’ve been consistently coping with the expectations of doing something good in the cups – that’s difficult.
“If I was a new manager in the Premier Leagu maybe I would be worried. I have been very fortunate because I have been ten years managing and seven of them have been consistently in the Premier League so I can speak from a good position of what pressure is. Whatever you’re fighting for – winning the FA Cup, fighting relegation, trying to get into the top four - I have that experience.
“You’re looking at a squad, the players we have and the signs we have shown this season and this is not a group that has hit the roof, or reached a level of being are quite happy to be seventh and hoping for a good season. We’re trying to be forward thinking and on the front foot, a team that can score and compete against anyone and we have seen signs.
“At home we have not been able to win enough, that’s the truth and we have to face it. But it’s not going to happen overnight, it’s a process. We manage funds very well, we have sold very well, and invested very well. We have not had a £300m investment. We just manage our assets very well and end up with a squad I feel has the potential to get somewhere special.
“Have we got experience within squad? Clearly not, we have young talent that needs trauma and pain but I am excited about the future when I look at the players I work with on a daily basis at Everton.”
Asked if Martinez may have put together a squad that someone else will get more from him, he responded: “Fine. I will be the proudest man on earth. I gave Joe Allen the perfect programme to develop as a youngster and he became a £15m player. As a manager you have to do that, for the good of the club, not for the good of the manager. I wouldn’t be involved in football if didn’t have that mentality. I’m not a short-term manager. I don’t want to get a football club mortgaged or in that situation just to win over the next six months. I enjoy building a club and making decisions. Maybe I am not going to see the benefit but that’s how a manager should think.”
Good article that which covers the obvious rebuilding process and long term outlook.
bluewally
Player Valuation: £8m
He sounds like a man under pressure to me to be honest. It's not his normal media drivel
dannyboy
Player Valuation: £60m
He's got to show there's a reason to persist with him into next season. If only to give the fans some hope, even if it's likely he won't be sacked.
If we were to finish the season well and win at Anfield then it'd transform the mood among supporters.
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