Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[madden95]

ive always admired the way he spoke about us, the way he tried to play football, the signings he has pulled of e.g lukaku, del, But last season we could say europa league - poor excuse i might add, How can we keep him bottom half in a season were the top 4 was easily up for grabs, he has one of the best squads in the league we managed to concede 3 goals in 60 mins if a premier league team cant stop another one from scoring 3 and shutting up shop there has got to be something wrong we are appallingly bad in defense. He has to go blaming ref decisions all the time we still conceded 3 goals, i went to write this last night but i thought id just if it was because i was annoyed, any other clubs manager would be gone!!!!

 

[Timak]

Moyes should've gone about 3 years sooner than he did, I really hope we don't make the same mistake again. Kenwright's bling loyalty is dangerous.

7th, 7th, 6th in Moyes last 3 seasons with a spend of -£15m.

I think he earned that "blind loyalty"

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

7th, 7th, 6th in Moyes last 3 seasons with a spend of -£15m.

I think he earned that "blind loyalty"

That just serves to prove how low some fans' expectations have dropped since Moyes though. 25% and rising are happy to keep going with a bloke who is on course to deliver successive bottom half finishes, mostly on the premise that he's built a 'great' team who he can't utilise that score a few more than we did under Moyes.

 

[markmarkmark]

Interesting (and scary) argument. Had a quick look at Wiki win stats.
Not sure what soft lads look like as of now but here are some others (all EFC oly)

Walter Smith 31.55%
Moyes: 42% (53% at UTD)
Kendall 54% (1st time, 26% last time)
Gordon Lee 38%
Mike Walker 17.14%

Martinez is currently at 43.2% according to wikipedia

 

[Ashtonian]

You can't be in relegation form for an entire season and not get relegated, and you certainly wouldn't finish 11th.

We were in relegation form from november to march.

This season we are in relegation form realistically from october to now. We have won 3 games in 4 months, we keep not winning and there will be a danger before may.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Interesting (and scary) argument. Had a quick look at Wiki win stats.
Not sure what soft lads look like as of now but here are some others (all EFC oly)

Walter Smith 31.55%
Moyes: 42% (53% at UTD)
Kendall 54% (1st time, 26% last time)
Gordon Lee 38%
Mike Walker 17.14%

This PL only? You'll have someone dragging in Martinez's u -21 Wigan pre season friendly games into the numbers if you're not careful.

 

[RFUS]

Martinez is currently at 43.2% according to wikipedia

Love to see the league percentages since the first season though. It's okay allowing 1 bad season after his good first but it's dragged on too long with no sign of improvement or tactical evolution. Hell, not even an ounce of accountability.

 

[orly]

Well, money is a factor mate

If we managed to get new owners, then we may be able to attract who ever we want

Pellegrini will want a decent wedge to come in

Bare in mind we will also have to pay Martinez for ending his contract

We'll definitely be looking at cheaper options if Martinez does get the boot

I don't think we'd ever sack him, he'd have to walk

A contract, of course, we bizarrely decided to renew just one year into his tenure.

Financial planning, the Everton way.

 

[quasi modo]

Out, same mistakes constantly and obviously not getting the best out of the players we have.

 

[billybinghamsboy]

Hes stated I'm not interested in clean sheets I'm interested in winning games. So far hes got 50% of the job right

 

[orly]

Love to see the league percentages since the first season though. It's okay allowing 1 bad season after his good first but it's dragged on too long with no sign of improvement or tactical evolution. Hell, not even an ounce of accountability.

He won 21 of his first 38 in the league.

He's subsequently won 18 of his next 61. It is grim reading

 

[Saint Domingo]

Moyes should've gone about 3 years sooner than he did, I really hope we don't make the same mistake again. Kenwright's bling loyalty is dangerous.

How I viewed that was 2003-2010 Moyes turned us round from relegation and built his first team (Arteta Cahill Pienaar Jags etc.), then after the cup final and those terrible injuries it pretty much fell apart with Lescott Arteta Pienaar all going. There were some low times through 11-12. I suppose at this point there was a decision to be made to either allow him to refresh the team or get rid of him. The former was chosen and in a remarkably short space of time we were back in European contention and cup semi finals with anew side based around Gibson Jelavic Mirallas Naismith etc. With Barkley and then Stones brought in. We could have quite easily dropped off a cliff post 09 with that squad but the refresh of it in a short space of time was remarkable. Yes no trophies etc. (But as last night showed they're not easily picked up). I can see the point that he stayed too long definitely, but I actually thought our last season was the best football since 07/08.

 

[PeterMeter]

Out, but not on anything to do with last night.
Atrocious record for the past two seasons, with the seemingly more and more rare clicking performance.

Need someone who can set up a team from the back, and has the fire and drive to push our young squad on.

 

[COYBL25]

Out. Nobody other than me is allowed to make my nine year old son cry.

I should have filmed hysterical sobbing last night after the game and sent the clip to him.

This is what you do to kids you monster !

 

[AdamEFC]

Has he not gone yet?