Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[Goat]

When?

In that period, we only beat the three worst teams in the league in Villa, Newcastle and Sunderland. We didn't win a league game in the month before Christmas.

We looked good tho.
You gotta admit.

 

[hktoffee]

We looked good tho.
You gotta admit.

Winning the bottom 3?

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

When?

In that period, we only beat the three worst teams in the league in Villa, Newcastle and Sunderland. We didn't win a league game in the month before Christmas.

There were enough wins sprinkled in there, such as the impressive demolition of Southampton, that I was happy enough that we'd do all right in the league provided we had a strong finish to the league campaign. Obviously, that hasn't happened

 

[Goat]

Winning the bottom 3?

Im a simple win with simple aims.

 

[davek]

No answer to if you think Bill Kenwright tells the truth or is someone who has consistantly lied then i see Dave?

It doesn't matter. It's not important for what we're discussing. Of course he's lied. But how does that affect the pov that he'll continue to back rather than sack a manager...especially after backing the goon Smith and his relegation scares?

Insults - i said you sound silly mate and petulant - pretty sure your skin is thicker than the fake outrage and hurt you express ^^

I'm not bothered by them, I'm bemoaning the fact they are there in the place of actual cogent argument.

Article i copy/pasted shows that a rigning endorsement is relatively meaningless - your own blue bill gave one and sacked the manager the same season, now he isn't even the one calling the major decisions so what he says has even less wiegth to it - can always hide behind the fact it wasn't his decision so can luvvy it up all he wants can't he?

It wasn't meaningless though was it? As pointed out, he said he'd be in charge the following season. And if that dullard Smith would have gotten Everton to midtable he'd have still been there the season after that.

as for your points
1. only 2 of whom are actually starting - 2 others have been banished to the bench and one to the under 21s, the ones whove fallen out of favour have been due to 1 being a dfeneder he has regressed and another who is a wigner he dropped because defensively we are a shambles, 2 of the best 3 young players want to leave the club - so yeah martinez has been stellar mate
2. No we haven't competed well mate, no team that has won 4 and lost 8 games at home can be considered to have competed well in any universe, competing int he cup doesnt matter - winning it does, teams roll up to Goodison expecting 3 point now - that's his big achievement
3. so we are now effectively a team that should strive for 38/40 points and safety so we can focus on the cups, nice to see that ambition mate
4. The man who used to run the club and has now sold it

1/ Starting line up consistently has a young crop of players in there that weren't under Moyes.
2/ I said competed the whole season well. Obviously the home PL matches aren't the whole season are they?
3/ No, but we can try and take some pride in getting to the latter stages cant we? Or maybe when previously in other seasons we bellyflopped out of them all the whingeing was unwise and OTT? W've done well in them this season. I for one give credit for it. I suppose you can continue to think it's no big deal and beneath a club like ours that's won the square root of f.a for 21 seasons..
4/ Yes, that man...the one who was kept on.

 

[Smodger]

Carnt believe People are still defending this clown.
Last season give him next season into the season give him Xmas now it's give him till end of season just get rid and be done with it.

 

[paulbefc]

Honestly mate we win the cup and no amount of vaulting will bring me down, you'd simply be wasting skin cells.

You can try and discourage me all you want, but there will be no mercy.

 

[hktoffee]

Im a simple win with simple aims.

Shame we can't do it on a regular basis. That's why we are sitting in 12th place.

 

[PhilM]

No mate, it wouldn't change a thing.

I stand with you on this point. Winning the cup would be fantastic if it actually occurred and Martinez would rightly deserve credit for that success.

Yet, overall there are currently far many more negatives than positives and success in six individual games shouldn't nullify all the others.

 

[Goat]

Cant believe people are willing to accept the short termism that an FA cup would bring.

BIGGER PICTURE

 

[matty1878]

When United beat us in two weeks I think he will be shown the door. I bloody hope so

 

[The Esk]

@davek - if Martinez is retained beyond the end of the season I hope truly you are correct and I am wrong.

Whilst atypical of Everton, I believe it (his removal) is (i) likely to happen because expectations are changing, and most importantly (ii) warranted given the paucity of results and the complete lack of forward momentum, relative to our peers and absolute, by the playing squad as a whole.

In a season were Pochettino, Ranieri and even Bilic have advanced their own and their club's causes, Martinez has done the exact opposite. Not through a lack of desire or personal ambition, it's a lack of ability, and that cannot be overcome.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

11th last season and sth like 12th are not enough to boot him out？Not to mention a winning rate of 31% since Aug 2014.

Lawrence will only be gone the day when Martinez is sacked.

After the two cup runs?

No, it's not enough for me

Like I said, I'm getting there and I'm not as staunchly behind him as others on here are, but I also think that if he wins that Cup and we scrape enough wins to finish in the top 10, that'll do provided he addresses the defence

If we get spanked in the Cup, finish in the bottom half and he doesn't do any of the stuff I want him to do on that list? Then I'll have to reassess my position

 

[paulbefc]

Cant believe people are willing to accept the short termism that an FA cup would bring.

BIGGER PICTURE

21 years isn't short term.

 

[ianefc]

Or well disguised fence-sitting, a tactic of which I'm often admittedly guilty.

I don't accept that. I hate fences that much if a house had one I wouldn't buy it. Martinez out. Never wanted him never will really want him, but we'd be hard pushed to get rid of Him after winning a Cup, plus it'd give an ENTIRE generation of Evertonians one of the best days of their lives. He'd deserve a bit of free reign on that alone, plus he's better in the in the 'off-season' than he is during. Which isn't hard as he's useless during.