Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[AndyC]

Is it wrong of me to have a part of me that secretly wants us to lose those games so that a) we chase Martinez out of town and b) the fume on here will make the best reading in GOT history.

It is absolutely and criminally wrong to want your club to lose, secretly or otherwise.

 

[mkrudden]

Is it wrong of me to have a part of me that secretly wants us to lose those games so that a) we chase Martinez out of town and b) the fume on here will make the best reading in GOT history.

I don't even know where to begin with this.

In a word, yes.

 

[Jimmy1]

It is absolutely and criminally wrong to want your club to lose, secretly or otherwise.

I was only kidding. Everton winning fills me with unrivalled joy. Just another crap season Im done with is all.

 

[orly]

Was it insanity when LFC sacked Dogleash?

No, it made sense.

Mourinho sacked abar half a season after winning the league. Di Matteo months after winning the Champions League.

Sacking Martinez even after a Cup win would benefit both parties. We'd make a big leap forward, get our trophy and he'd leave with a modicum of respectability intact.

If he gets sacked this season he will never get near a job of this size again.

 

[mkrudden]

Was it insanity when LFC sacked Dogleash?

Spending 35 million on Andy Carroll is a sackable offence.

 

[ianefc]

Is it wrong of me to have a part of me that secretly wants us to lose those games so that a) we chase Martinez out of town and b) the fume on here will make the best reading in GOT history.

Yes. It's that sort of talk that allows the cult to have a load of cheap digs.

 

[mkrudden]

No, it made sense.

Mourinho sacked abar half a season after winning the league. Di Matteo months after winning the Champions League.

Sacking Martinez even after a Cup win would benefit both parties. We'd make a big leap forward, get our trophy and he'd leave with a modicum of respectability intact.

If he gets sacked this season he will never get near a job of this size again.

Of this size?
I'm sure the likes of Stoke would have him. With the money in the game now, they are on a par. No doubt.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

You see mate, imo you're seeing it all wrong.

He will change things. Drastically. Because he now has what he had in short supply since he joined. Cash. More importantly, cash without sales.

You're acting like the model hasn't changed. Didnt you hear? We now have a billionaire owner. Raw youth isn't on the agenda anymore. We can attract proven quality.

Last time Martinez had proven quality in their prime we finished 5th.

No friend, I think you're seeing it all wrong.

Money isn't the issue, not even remotely. Money won't enable us to defend. Money didn't even make us finish 5th in his first season.

There's even a song about it, 'we had no money so we signed the players on loan'.

The money argument holds no weight.

 

[mkrudden]

Yes. It's that sort of talk that allows the cult to have a load of cheap digs.

Deservedly so.
That and "Orly likes this".

 

[toffee matt]

Of this size?
I'm sure the likes of Stoke would have him. With the money in the game now, they are on a par. No doubt.

Stoke are a top 10 side

Martinez has only managed one season in the top 10 ever.

He'll move to Spain as I doubt his ego would allow him to take a championship job or the likes of West Brom or Sunderland

 

[ianefc]

Spending 35 million on Andy Carroll is a sackable offence.

The same Andy Carrol who knocked us out of the FA Cup and scored in a win at Goodison?

I'm playing devils advocate here, I don't think he'll be sacked on the back of a cup win. But I think calling it insanity is too stronger word on the other end of the scale.

What's your tipping point?

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

You see mate, imo you're seeing it all wrong.

He will change things. Drastically. Because he now has what he had in short supply since he joined. Cash. More importantly, cash without sales.

You're acting like the model hasn't changed. Didnt you hear? We now have a billionaire owner. Raw youth isn't on the agenda anymore. We can attract proven quality.

Last time Martinez had proven quality in their prime we finished 5th.

....with a well-drilled defence that has since had the life sucked out of it.

 

[mkrudden]

No friend, I think you're seeing it all wrong.

Money isn't the issue, not even remotely. Money won't enable us to defend. Money didn't even make us finish 5th in his first season.

There's even a song about it, 'we had no money so we signed the players on loan'.

The money argument holds no weight.

Rubbish.
If that's the case, how are City now consistent PL challengers? Has Abramo's money not turned Chelsea into something they weren't before?

Money equals better players. Simply.

 

[ianefc]

Of this size?
I'm sure the likes of Stoke would have him. With the money in the game now, they are on a par. No doubt.

No wonder you're happy with Martinez if that's what you think of our club mediocrity is breeding mediocrity.

For the love of GOT end this madness.

 

[mkrudden]

The same Andy Carrol who knocked us out of the FA Cup and scored in a win at Goodison?

I'm playing devils advocate here, I don't think he'll be sacked on the back of a cup win. But I think calling it insanity is too stronger word on the other end of the scale.

What's your tipping point?

Christmas this year.
Martinez has brought in a quality GK, a CB, a Barry heir and a quality playmaker. Not bothered about who.
After spending, i dunno, 60million, if we are still languishing then I'll be in the opposing camp.