Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[mkrudden]

No wonder you're happy with Martinez if that's what you think of our club mediocrity is breeding mediocrity.

For the love of GOT end this madness.

Realsm. We have a lot to do rebuilding wise to justify any big club claim post-BT/Sky money.
That's why Martinez needs time.

 

[Jimmy1]

Yes. It's that sort of talk that allows the cult to have a load of cheap digs.

If your worried about the cult have a pop over to the 'Martinez hypothetical replacement' thread. Some right beauties in there.

 

[TommyDavo]

Rubbish.
If that's the case, how are City now consistent PL challengers? Has Abramo's money not turned Chelsea into something they weren't before?

Money equals better players. Simply.

Because with the money they get a decent manager

 

[Saint Domingo]

Deservedly so.
That and "Orly likes this".

Stop talking sense rudders, you're making this two camps thing very difficult.

 

[mkrudden]

Because with the money they get a decent manager

Sheesh.
You're right mate. I concede.
Martinez has done diddly squat to even prove he's a "decent" manager.

 

[orly]

Stoke are a top 10 side

Martinez has only managed one season in the top 10 ever.

He'll move to Spain as I doubt his ego would allow him to take a championship job or the likes of West Brom or Sunderland

Stoke on a par with Everton? Who said that? Not seen anyone argue that in ages. Not even close. Historically, never. Even contemporary facts wouldn't support this.

One season in the top half in what, seven? Very very grim.

It's been an interesting shift from the cult now. No longer are they bizarrely spinning the last 18 months of form, we are being asked to believe in maybes and the never-never; stuff that might happen in May... Or next season... Or in the future.

You can't defend last season's league and cup runs.

You can't defend this season's league form.

You can't defend us going out the moment we met decent opposition in the league cup.

So here we are, two games from glory, fourth lowest in the league of the five remaining teams. In the head to heads we've not beaten any of them this season.

I've said it before, I'll say it again - I expect us to win at Anfield and if we get past West Ham (if we even have to play them) we will win the Cup. And then we can pat El Fraudo on the back and say "thanks for the trophy, let's agree an amicable split" and we both can start anew.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Stop making stuff up. We had a period of stability under Moyes because he outperformed every coach that came before him in a massive way and never gave any reason for us to sack him. Before Moyes we had Harvey for 3 years, Kendall for three years, Walker for 8 months, Royle for 2.5 years, Kendall for a year, Smith for 3.5 years. We changed managers about every 3 years. Time for a change. There is absolutely no reason to believe that results will improve next season based on what we have seen last season and this season or based on Martinez' track record as a manager. He should never have been given the job.

Truth.

 

[TommyDavo]

Sheesh.
You're right mate. I concede.
Martinez has done diddly squat to even prove he's a "decent" manager.

Glad we agree

 

[mkrudden]

Stop talking sense rudders, you're making this two camps thing very difficult.

Face it, SD. We are GOT friends and you know it.

 

[Carlito]

He's simply got nothing in his locker.

A Harry Redknapp or Ian Hollaway masquerading as Pep Guardiola. Everton would do well to cut their losses at the nearest opportunity.

 

[tim cahill]

Christmas this year.
Martinez has brought in a quality GK, a CB, a Barry heir and a quality playmaker. Not bothered about who.
After spending, i dunno, 60million, if we are still languishing then I'll be in the opposing camp.

So if we are 11th by xmas should he keep his job?

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Rubbish.
If that's the case, how are City now consistent PL challengers? Has Abramo's money not turned Chelsea into something they weren't before?

Money equals better players. Simply.

You can spend all the money you want on players and still be rubbish if the man in charge is inept, Liverpool have proven that. Money may obscure his shortcomings slightly but you're clearly not a stupid bloke, so why you're suggesting money is the sole factor for success if bemusing.

 

[mkrudden]

So if we are 11th by xmas should he keep his job?

He should be under lots of pressure. I'm loathe to be definitive because Lukaku could lose a leg on the eve of the season and National Service reinstatement could mean Barkley is called up.

But if we get in quality and we are 11th then I can have no arguments over him being binned off.

If we hadn't have been taken over, and the previous model was still in play, I'd have given him another full season.

 

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

Spending 35 million on Andy Carroll is a sackable offence.

Won a trophy, got to another cup final and finished top half. Surely it's impossible to sack him after that?

 

[DrEFC]

We were playing Arsenal not Accrington Stanley. They had one shot left to keep alive their season, so let's not forget the other side of the equation here. Yes, the performance was insipid and that goes down to Martinez as well as the players. But that match was atypical of the way we have played for the most part this season. It's no use using that particular 90 minutes to suggest a general malaise which isn't there. Personally, I felt the occasion had an 'after the lord Mayor's parade' build up to it and we were flat as an organisation going into it. Unsupportable as that is from professionals.

You say he's not got the skill set to get the best from the group of players. That doesn't quite scan, imo. He can get it from them but not with consistency. But they are his players and he can get them playing, as anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see this season. My view is that he'll get that consistency, but he'll also need to sort out some personnel changes in defence. A new GK, yes. But also we need to revert to a much flatter back four which could see both FBs shifted out the club or from their starting positions at least.

Bottom line for me: it continues to be a huge stretch to believe that what Martinez has done is worthy of dismiaal. Anyone advocating it has an ahistorical view of the club and how we've previously operated (a temperate tradition worth maintaining), and they have a shaky grasp of what's required to move us on.

1 - so most Evertonians are a bit thick
2- a huge stretch has to be longer than 18 months.
I love you Dave xx